[John V.]

Originally Posted by The Boss

....and just so we are clear, you are saying in the game January 21, 2018 at Foxboro Stadium in New England - correct?

That's one tall order you have ahead of you. Just sayin.

Congrats to your Pats.

Just so we are clear, I did say the Jags would win. And they didn't. My bad.

[Pontiacdaver]

Goatless, just the kind of response I expected. So 1 penalty for 10 yards vs. 6 for 98 yards is calling almost nothing? I guess so, if you're a Pats fan. Also calling Esiason a "Pats hating commentator" is a typical snide comment. The Patriots, and their fans, are the sorest winners in the sport.

[72projectbird]

My TV almost made a high velocity emergency exit at the nearest window, but thankfully it didn't come to that.

Go PATS!

[goatless]

Originally Posted by Pontiacdaver

Goatless, just the kind of response I expected. So 1 penalty for 10 yards vs. 6 for 98 yards is calling almost nothing? I guess so, if you're a Pats fan. Also calling Esiason a "Pats hating commentator" is a typical snide comment. The Patriots, and their fans, are the sorest winners in the sport.

Yes, I'm saying that 7 combined flags in the entire game is "almost nothing". They overlooked all of the minor infractions and let them play the game. The ones they called were legit.

Not a sore winner- you're the one that came on and said that the refs were playing for the Pats.

[72projectbird]

People mistake a disciplined team as a team who gets calls in their favor.

[John V.]

The PI in the first half was a bad call. I don't like the rule that resulted in the flag on the hit to Gronk but no argument with the call. I thought the late PI call was suspect. But every game has those calls, I think the Jags could have won anyway. My group thought the fumble should have been reversed and only stood cause the Jags got the call in the first place.

But I thought this pic was funny, not sour grapes. Only posting as humor. I believe the Jags showed they have a quality team. They silenced a lot of critics. And I don't know if Gillette is normally that quiet, but I was pretty convinced a lot of Pats fans had reason to think they were going down today, they were pretty quiet once the Jags went ahead and stayed that way til the Jags final misfire.

[Pontiacdaver]

Originally Posted by goatless

Yes, I'm saying that 7 combined flags in the entire game is "almost nothing". They overlooked all of the minor infractions and let them play the game. The ones they called were legit.

Not a sore winner- you're the one that came on and said that the refs were playing for the Pats.

I also came on and said I respected them as a team.

You're right, 7 penalties is low. But a 1 to 6 ratio isn't. And it seems to be the rule rather than the exception in most of their games.

As for the sore winner, I stand by your snarky comment about Esiason as proving my point.

[Pontiacdaver]

Originally Posted by John V.

The PI in the first half was a bad call. I don't like the rule that resulted in the flag on the hit to Gronk but no argument with the call. I thought the late PI call was suspect. But every game has those calls, I think the Jags could have won anyway. My group thought the fumble should have been reversed and only stood cause the Jags got the call in the first place.

But I thought this pic was funny, not sour grapes. Only posting as humor. I believe the Jags showed they have a quality team. They silenced a lot of critics. And I don't know if Gillette is normally that quiet, but I was pretty convinced a lot of Pats fans had reason to think they were going down today, they were pretty quiet once the Jags went ahead and stayed that way til the Jags final misfire.

Thanks John,

I'm guessing you are not in the New England area?

[Pontiacdaver]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

People mistake a disciplined team as a team who gets calls in their favor.

People also mistake professional sports as being played with complete parity.

[johnta1]

I'm guessing you are not in the New England area?

Jacksonville Florida area

[The Boss]

The better team won - who's next?

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Pontiacdaver

Goatless, just the kind of response I expected. So 1 penalty for 10 yards vs. 6 for 98 yards is calling almost nothing? I guess so, if you're a Pats fan. Also calling Esiason a "Pats hating commentator" is a typical snide comment. The Patriots, and their fans, are the sorest winners in the sport.

Jacksonville was lucky there weren't more - there was a lot of unsportsmanlike conduct on that field once it became obvious how the game was going to play out.

BTW - Saying you grudgingly respect them as a team doesn't acquit you of the fanciful claims that followed.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by John V.

Congrats to your Pats.

Just so we are clear, I did say the Jags would win. And they didn't. My bad.

Props - you took that standing up.

Originally Posted by John V.

The PI in the first half was a bad call. I don't like the rule that resulted in the flag on the hit to Gronk but no argument with the call. I thought the late PI call was suspect. But every game has those calls, I think the Jags could have won anyway. My group thought the fumble should have been reversed and only stood cause the Jags got the call in the first place.

But I thought this pic was funny, not sour grapes. Only posting as humor. I believe the Jags showed they have a quality team. They silenced a lot of critics. And I don't know if Gillette is normally that quiet, but I was pretty convinced a lot of Pats fans had reason to think they were going down today, they were pretty quiet once the Jags went ahead and stayed that way til the Jags final misfire.

There was a lot of time during this game where it could have gone another way and half time looked bleak. But like I said earlier in this thread, the Pats play the whole game and where other teams may wear down and their play may fall off with injuries and energy, the Pats play on. Down by 7 in the 4th with your top receiver in the locker room, Brady will still pull it out.

[MUSLCAH]

Gilmore redeemed himself today

[tekheavy]

Originally Posted by The Boss

The better team won - who's next?

Looks like the Eagles.

[66sprint6]

Fantastic game. Love those Jaguars they really have a lot going for them. But separate the noise on the internet and all you have left is a team that won a good game. It sure looked at one point like it may have gone either way. It got quiet there for a while, too. But Brady pulled it together again. Always a pleasure to see the come from behind win.

[Pontiacdaver]

Originally Posted by The Boss

Jacksonville was lucky there weren't more - there was a lot of unsportsmanlike conduct on that field once it became obvious how the game was going to play out.

BTW - Saying you grudgingly respect them as a team doesn't acquit you of the fanciful claims that followed.

Chris,

What "fanciful claims" did I make?

It's a fact there were only 7 penalties called, and 6 of them were against the Jaguars. That any team is "disciplined" enough to only commit 1 penalty in an entire game is as ridiculous as your claim of unsportsman-like conduct not being called against the Jags. The outcome of the game wasn't even a forgone conclusion until late in the 4th quarter. Calling a commentator a "Patriots hating whiner" is a snide, sore winner-type comment, which your above claim smacks of too. The only "claim" I made is it seems calls that could go either way, seem to go their way. And it's a only claim because I don't care enough to actually check.

-Dave

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Pontiacdaver

Not a Patriots fan, but I have to grudgingly respect them as a team. They get it done when it's a close game.
If there is a questionable inequality, it's the consistent lopsided foul calls. I mean, what team only commits 1 foul the whole game? And it always seems (to my eyes, and often the sportscasters), the calls (or non calls) go the Patriots way, every game.
You Pats fans can hate on me, I don't care, but it seems they really don't need to have the refs insure they win.

Originally Posted by Pontiacdaver

Chris,

What "fanciful claims" did I make?

It's a fact there were only 7 penalties called, and 6 of them were against the Jaguars. That any team is "disciplined" enough to only commit 1 penalty in an entire game is as ridiculous as your claim of unsportsman-like conduct not being called against the Jags. The outcome of the game wasn't even a forgone conclusion until late in the 4th quarter. Calling a commentator a "Patriots hating whiner" is a snide, sore winner-type comment, which your above claim smacks of too. The only "claim" I made is it seems calls that could go either way, seem to go their way. And it's a only claim because I don't care enough to actually check.

-Dave

You allege there is a conspiracy afoot where the refs are guaranteeing the win - THAT is your fanciful claim! It is baseless, unsupported and grossly untrue!

Since you are such a learned fan and astute viewer, I'm certain you can go play by play and tell us exactly which players on which play should have received penalties....but you won't because you can't. Truth is the Patriots ARE a team that is so disciplined that they can receive only 1 penalty in a game. It is that discipline that allows them to win repeatedly and set the records they have. You may choose to disagree because you cannot stomach the alternative but it is the truth and both their play & their record supports it.

To also deny that the Jaguars were pushing, shoving and s**t talking their way into fights at the end of the game is laughable as well. I was texting with a photographer friend of mine on the field all through the game who told me exactly what was going on. It didn't get a lot of air time and the refs quickly broke things up, but the Jaguars were poor losers and were letting the Patriots know it!

Lastly, don't confuse my statements and Jeremy's as the same or expect us not to defend a team we follow against your baseless unsupported claims. Barry Church was a gentleman in the locker room after the game explaining his contact with Gronkowski - you should be here as well.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by tekheavy

Looks like the Eagles.

This will be a good game!

[dhcarguy]

Your Pat's are in TROUBLE now.

Dave