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I was hit by a pizza truck on the right rear quarter panel and hit on the left rear quarter panel by a 62 Corvette years ago.
I had my rear quarters replaced with Lemans quarters back in the 1982-1983 time frame. I did not try to hide anything,
the welded up Lemans holes are not even cleaned up.

Plus I have no intention of ever selling the car so "playing games" with sheet metalis of no interest to me.
The original 389 engine is on a stand, the 455 engine, 4 wheel disc brakes, 9" Ford rear, and Doug Nash 5
speed trans all say the car has been modified.

It is a piece of sheetmetal. The Documentation John V has says it was and still is a 64 GTO in spirit.

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[QUOTE=padgett;6297657]During the gas crisis it was common to swap 326-350s into 389-400-421-428-455 engine compartments. ]

What kind of facts do you have to back up that statement??

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U47, because that's what many people did in the day. There are no facts, just reality. Grow up.

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During the gas crisis it was common to swap 326-350s into 389-400-421-428-455 engine compartments. ]

What kind of facts do you have to back up that statement??
My neighbor in 74 pulled his 396 for a 307 for a couple of years out of his Chevelle, told my dad he was waiting for gas to come down again. He was a pilot for UAL - I guess the commute from Simi to LAX was a bugger...
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I passed on an Alpine blue 68 GTO because it had a 350 2bbl swapped in... I shouldn't have though. It was a solid driver with a 3spd manual.

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U47, because that's what many people did in the day. There are no facts, just reality. Grow up.
Throwing a specious statement out there is foolish. I'm sure it was done, but miniscule compared to the amount of 400"+ in cars that were out there.
If you want to throw personal insults, I suggest the club house.

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Many times people beat on muscle cars, and damaged the engines due 99 out of 100 from abuse, and neglect. When the dealership turned down a warranty claim, they had little to no choice than to buy a cheap engine and put it back on the road, as it was their daily transportation, and they were still making payments on it.

If they bought it used, they had maybe a 30 day warranty that meant nothing, and a broken car that they still owed money to the bank on. Used car dealers many time wouldn't even give you a 30 warranty on a used muscle car.

Lots of these cars were sold off for much less than they paid for them, or they were stored away in barns (barn finds). Sometimes they were parked in yards and just left to rot. I've picked up my share of Pontiac muscle cars with blown transmissions, or engine for almost nothing, fix the carnage, and either drive it, or flip it, and turn a profit on it.

If I had a 350/400 2bbl engine lying around, we'd swap on the 4bbl from the grenaded engine, and back on the road, or a for sale sign went on it.

I once bought a 70 Judge with a RA III engine in it that was worn out because they ran a Holley on a Edelbrock P4B with no air cleaner. It also came with a 65 389 out of a Bonneville that was good that the guy bought, but ran out of ambition to install it, $500. The newspaper ad never even mentioned it was a Judge, just said, 70 GTO for sale.

I drove that car as a daily, spun a rod in the RA III, put the 389 in it and then it got wrecked from someone that turned in front of me. Between the insurance money, selling the RA III short block off, and selling what was left of the car. I made a couple thousand dollars over what I paid for the car.

BTW, the car was put back together, and is still around today with a 400 from a 77 T/A in it.

Lots of these cars were bastardized after the born with engine blew up or got taken out and a smaller engine substituted for fuel mileage or just to keep it running. I've seen guys trade a high HP engine for a plain jane engine, and some money, then they let the car get repoed.

Lots of stories when it comes to old muscle cars.


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I have to agree that people installed whatever was available to them when they had a issue with the factory engine or the gas crisis and long drives each day forced them to swap in a smaller engine to get to work and back. Common sense says you do some of that stuff IF NECESSARY.

The post says late 64 GTOs with 326 engines. That implies PRODUCTION ENGINES off the LINE. NEVER HAPPENED.
Premium Gas in 1964-65 was 26 cents a gallon.
No reason to put in a smaller engine AND the factory, as posted, had lots of 64 GTO Engines. So anything in the way
of an engine swap MIGHT BE TRUE at some point in the cars history but NEVER off the line in 1964.

THAT is a FACT.

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OP sounds like so many stories that used to float around. We have all heard them.

"My brother-in-law's nephew bought a new XXX that got 40 mpg. Until the factory security people came and took back the carburetor. It was an experimental model that wasn't supposed to get on the assembly line. The oil companies paid to get it back because they didn't want to lose fuel sales if that model went into production."

Or you are at a cruise night with yourold darksider and somebody starts talking another story. "My cousin bought a Bonneville in 59 with a 421. Fastest thing in the county. Nobody could touch him stop light to stop light."

Great story in a one stop light town. And you never got the story from the guy who had the car. And there is no way to back check the facts and see who started the story. Factory 326 in a GTO. Never happened.

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And really who thinking about it would have paid for it -- unless I'm wrong there is nothing on a 64 that couldn't be optioned on a Lemans except the hood and the 389 (in either form). So it is 1964 and you want a "GTO" with a 326HO - order the Lemans with the HD cooling, suspension upgrade and handling package...

From another direction - my 64 is about as late as they come (July 27) and came with a 389 and trips.

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And really who thinking about it would have paid for it -- unless I'm wrong there is nothing on a 64 that couldn't be optioned on a Lemans except the hood and the 389 (in either form). So it is 1964 and you want a "GTO" with a 326HO - order the Lemans with the HD cooling, suspension upgrade and handling package...

From another direction - my 64 is about as late as they come (July 27) and came with a 389 and trips.
Post up some pics in the lobby. Sounds like a cool vehicle.
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Ours was built on 7/6/1964. Not the latest, but certainly towards the end of the run.

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