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Boss , i knew you'd have all the pieces to put her back into 1 piece - if anyone would have them. Glad to know you didn't sell / trade all of it already. You had a lotta 68 RamAir hardwares years ago.

YES that IS the earliest dated RamII GTO we have on record so far.
5 / 31 / 68 Baltimore is next closest. (Black-Gold-Black Vert)

And i don't have a BHC copy for your Green Auto Deuce btw ... hint hint

Wonder how that owner knew it was gennie Ram2 back in early 90's without #'s engine ?

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More info and PHS to come...

VooDoo Green
Black cordova top and interior
RA II
4-speed
Hood tach and gauges
Console
Ralley II's
Hideaway's

I should have a copy of the PHS this week.
Paul , many thanks for your efforts on sharing this Ram II GTO with us.
And for being sharp enough to aid in re-discovering the cars pedigree.
Owner must surely be very pleased that he stuck with the car all these years.

Its almost identical to the car that Gary sold Kevin , as far as colors / equipment.
Look forward to more when you can.
Big Thanks
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:22 PM
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There was also the Stephen Pontiac 1968 GTO, with a chrome beak and a RAII, out of Bristol, CT. Stephen Pontiac had 2 Pontiacs they raced at that time, the other was a 69 Firebird RAIV. I believe both cars were Mayfair Maize in color. They then ran a RAV powered Firebird from 1970-1973.
I've got an old polaroid shot on file for the Stephen's 69 IV Bird.
It does look pale like Mayfair Maize.

And a good shot of the 69 IV Towne Bird while i'm at it.
In case you don't have these.

Thanks for posting the 68 GTO Stephen Racer
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Paul , many thanks for your efforts on sharing this Ram II GTO with us.
And for being sharp enough to aid in re-discovering the cars pedigree.
Owner must surely be very pleased that he stuck with the car all these years.

Its almost identical to the car that Gary sold Kevin , as far as colors / equipment.
Look forward to more when you can.
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wow that is amazing, it looks identical to the one i sold to kevin.

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Boss , i knew you'd have all the pieces to put her back into 1 piece - if anyone would have them. Glad to know you didn't sell / trade all of it already. You had a lotta 68 RamAir hardwares years ago.

YES that IS the earliest dated RamII GTO we have on record so far.
5 / 31 / 68 Baltimore is next closest. (Black-Gold-Black Vert)

And i don't have a BHC copy for your Green Auto Deuce btw ... hint hint

Wonder how that owner knew it was gennie Ram2 back in early 90's without #'s engine ?
the guy i bought it from didnt know it was a ra2. he just described the car to me and i took a chance on it and bought it, i called jim and he called me back and said you sob, i cant believe you got lucky on that one.

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Old 10-16-2012, 11:21 PM
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wow that is amazing, it looks identical to the one i sold to kevin.
LoL

Maybe you're messing with me here -
That IS the one you sold to Kevin , sitting at Greg's shop after he finished it.

I popped that picture up in case Mark in OhiO happens to browse the Forum sometime.
It should give him a big boost of encouragement seeing what his will look like if he does eventually restore it. (project car)

His has just a couple more options as built - i think.
But same exterior appearance with HideAways, Vinyl Top, Rally2's, same Colors

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Old 10-17-2012, 01:54 PM
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Here is the shakedown / breakdown on The Boss's VooDoo Deuce


68 GTO Ram Air II - Automatic
QQ VooDoo Green / 23 Black Buckets
Built at Pontiac Plant
Build Date
Invoice date 5 / 28 /68
From 21 / To 34
Zone 08 / Dealer 219
Marte Pontiac - Columbus, Ohio


347 Ram Air .......................................... blank
351 THM 400 Auto ...............................236.97
361 STT HD Posi ...................................63.19
37S Axle 4.33 ........................................ n/c
382 AM Radio P.Btn ................................61.09
394 Stereo Tape Player .........................133.76
444 Rally Gauges & Tach .........................84.26
453 Rally 2 Wheels .................................84.26
472 Console Automatic ...........................68.46
501 Power Steer ...................................94.79
621 Ride & Handle ...................................4.21
71R/72C G77x14 Redlines...........................n/c
754 Front Shoulder Belts ...........................n/c


Option Total .........................................830.99
Destination ............................................41.50
Base Price ..........................................3101.00

Sub Total ...........................................3973.49

Ram Air II ........................................... 473.94

TOTAL ............................................. 4447.43

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Label Price ........................................4447.43




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Thanks Todd, drum brakes but thankfully power steering!

Here's another bad to the bone auto car that is now the earliest known Duece since it's VIN is prior to mine but the two were likely visible from each other on the line.

RED on RED and possibly the good Doctor will remember it running Woodward back in the day. This car is alive & well and still resides in the Detroit area.
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drum brakes but thankfully power steering!
even MANUAL Drum Brakes at that !
Freddy Flinstone could probably get stopped quicker than that screaming GreenMachine.

Forgot to post the BHC to the Boss's VooDooDeucer with the shakedown list.
Here ya go
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:01 PM
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The rundown on the RedBull car

68 GTO Ram Air II - Automatic
RR Red - 25 Red Interior
Built at Pontiac Plant
Build Date
Invoice Date = 6 / 05 / 68
To 21 / From 21
Zone 07 Dealer 735
Simpson Pontiac - Southgate Michigan

347 Ram Air .......................................... blank
351 THM 400 Auto................................. 236.97
361 STT HD Posi..................................... 63.19
37S Axle Ratio 4.33.................................. n/c
414 HideAways ......................................52.66
424 L.H. Remote Mirror .............................9.48
434 Hood Tach ......................................63.19
453 Rally 2 Wheels .................................84.26
476
(472 Console Auto..................................68.46
(474 Clock n/c - incl with 484......................0
484 Gauges & Clock ...............................50.55
494 Rally Stripes................................... 10.53
503
(501 Pwr Steer .....................................94.79
(502 Pwr Brakes ...................................42.13
521 Front Disc Brakes ............................63.19
71R/72C G77 Redlines...............................n/c
754 Shoulder Belts ................................. n/c


Options Total...................................... 839.40
Destination ......................................... 13.25
Base Price ....................................... 3101.00

Sub Total ........................................ 3953.65

Ram Air II ......................................... 473.94

TOTAL............................................ 4427.59

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Label Price ..................................... 4427.59



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Regarding these RAII cars why do some of the Car Billing History documents show a Motor Unit Number and others only show a line of zeros for the Motor Unit Number.

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That's a real good question and it is common with the Firebirds in the April/May time frame as well.

I honestly think they had no idea which motors were going in which cars, so no numbers went in. My 05A RA I Auto Baltimore Built car had no unit numbers either.

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even MANUAL Drum Brakes at that !
Freddy Flinstone could probably get stopped quicker than that screaming GreenMachine.

Forgot to post the BHC to the Boss's VooDooDeucer with the shakedown list.
Here ya go
Nahhhh, with the 4:33 gears all you need to do is lift off the gas, the car slows itself down.

Did you notice that REDBULL is radio delete!

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On the 68 Ram GTO's - the ones built at Pontiac Plant - got the EUN / TUN printed.
Baltimore and Framingham didn't get them printed. (00000000)
Other Plants - idunno yet.

On the 68 Ram Birds - it looks like Lordstown Plant (U) got the EUN / TUN printed.
Van Nuys Plant (L) did not. (00000000)

As we get more BHC's - we might know more.
And see more exceptions.

But , all the engines and trannys themselves did get the EUN / TUN stamped into them at all plants.


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Yes noticed the RedBull was Anti-Radio.
Wonder if its ever had a hole poked into the passenger fender (or pass. qtr.) by now ?

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1. Convertible Black- Black top- Gold interior - 4spd
Unrestored excellent survivor - high option - 56k miles
Sold at Mecum for 165k in 2011 or 2012
Documented BHC on PY

2. Convertible Burgandy- White top- White interior - 4spd
Being Frame Off Restored - well optioned
John in Ohio
Documented BHC on PY

3. Convertible Gold - Gold interior - Blk top - Automatic
Low mile survivor with cosmetic resto
Rob L in Illinois
documented

4. Convertible Red - Blk top - Blk interior - 4spd
Mark of Mich. his cousin bought it New. Been sold.

5. Blue - Blue interior - Automatic
Numbers match, intact survivor
Gary Oklahoma
documented

6. VooDoo Green - Black interior - Automatic
Project - missing origial drivetrain - but has the Right Stuff to put it back together
Chris "The Boss" in Conn. - bought from Gary Okla
Documented BHC on PY

7. VooDoo Green - Black Vinyl top - Black interior 4spd
Matching #s original survivor - has now been frame off restored by Greg Teeters
previously owned by Gary Oklahoma
Sold to Kevin in Seattle
documented

8. VooDoo Green - Black interior - 4spd
Brian OhiO
Documented BHC on PY

9. Aegena Blue - Black interior - 4spd
Bought on eBay as a project / parts car - was left outside with no front clip
Turns out as Matching #s Ram2 - parked since 1972 with 52k miles
Currently undergoing frame-off resto by owner
PY member gto66yellow in Indiana
documented

10. Green - Gold interior - 4spd
project car being frame off restored by owner
now in Georgia - PY member gahotrods
Documented BHC on PY

11. Red - Blk interior - Blk Vinyl top - 4spd
Real Good above driver quality - older resto
Sold at Mecum auction Summer 2012
From Salmon Brothers Collection

12. VooDoo Green - Blk interior - Blk vinyl top - 4spd
Same owner since early 80's
Only recently discovered the car was factory Ram Air II (thanks Paul)
Non-original engine and converted to Automatic - prior to his ownership
Frame-Off Restoration is now planned.
Mark in OhiO - info supplied by PY member PaulatFast
Documented

13. Red - Red interior - Automatic
RedBull in Michigan
Documented BHC on PY

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*MIA - Knafel in Ohio 68 GTO Ram2 Tin Indian Race Car
appears to be White body with Black interior - 4spd


*MIA - Stephen Pontiac in Conn. 68 GTO Ram2 Race Car
Mayfair Maize - 4spd - Endura Delete / Chrome Nose


* MIA - complete LongBlock
Alpine Blue - Automatic
Documented BHC on PY

* MIA - block only
Gold - Blk interior 4spd
Documented BHC on PY
Block / engine sold on eBay

* MIA - block only
Gold - Gold interior 4spd
Documented BHC on PY
Block belongs to PY member in GA.

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LoL

Maybe you're messing with me here -
That IS the one you sold to Kevin , sitting at Greg's shop after he finished it.

I popped that picture up in case Mark in OhiO happens to browse the Forum sometime.
It should give him a big boost of encouragement seeing what his will look like if he does eventually restore it. (project car)

His has just a couple more options as built - i think.
But same exterior appearance with HideAways, Vinyl Top, Rally2's, same Colors
thats funny, i didnt realize that, i thought it was just restored also. nice twins.

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Back to the hunt again...

Anyone have any of these old GOATFINDER editions ?
Or info regarding ?

Is John Allen of Illinois a member here ?
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/pontiacgtos/page5.html

Our 8/96 issue featured .... and a '68 RA II RoundPort Firebird ad reprint!

Our 12/96 issue featured ...and JOHN TORREANO's INCREDIBLE 7,747-mile '68 RA II "Round-Port" GTO Convertible - the ONLY documented one in the country!!!

Our 4/97 issue featured ....and the extraordinary legacy of the KNAFEL PONTIAC "Tin Indian" Racing Team - campaigning 42 cars across No. America from 1959-1971!!!

Our 1/98 issue featured the (12) KNAFEL PONTIAC '69 Ram Air V TUNNELİPORT GTOS! The (50) KNAFEL '70 Tempest Sedans (w/GTO 400ci engines & other tricks

Our 3/98 issue featured ...Plus the '68 & '70 KNAFEL Firebirds both sporting the ONLY "Porcupine HemiİHead" TUNNELİPORT engine ever made, and both also being World Champs!

Our 5/98 issue featured John Torreano's 7,700İmile '68 RA II/auto RoundPort GTO Ragtop & the KNAFEL Pontiac '69 Ram Air V GTO!

Our 8/98 issue featured ... '70 WT51 White JUDGE!

Our 9/98 issue featured ... RARE KNAFEL Pontiac '65 GTO Test cars & '54 Strato Streak Experimental Factory ptototype;


Any info's on any of this stuff would be Great Info's.

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At this time there has been 23 Ram Air II GTO vin numbers documented through PHS. Out of the 23 documented vehicles, 4 are convertibles. There is no way to tell if anyone has just documented an engine or a complete car.

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Car #4... does anyone know who now owns this red convertible?

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