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Does anyone know if car#9 was owned by Don Beckers when new? Don traded my 69 Judge convertble in on a 71 Green Judge convertible back in 71. I'm not sure on the color of green but Don lived in Kansas. I would like to talk with the owner of the car Don owned and maybe one day we could all meet together and get Don's picture with both Judge convertible's. He has to be the only one who ever owned both 69&71 Judge convertible's new.

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Old 08-31-2007, 12:19 PM
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Anyone know if this car sold? It is not on the list for sale at Legendary anymore.

8. Tropical Lime, black, black, Auto VIN # 242671P110472 @ Was Dan McKinnon's in VA, in Canada and for sale at Legendary Motor. PHS

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Alright if the story about the 4sp Aztec is correct; that only leaves 4 cars not relatively known about.

The other Atec, the third White one, the Blue one, and the Black one.

I bet that black one is a sweet color combo!

Anybody know anything about those four? If you are hold out on information because you are trying to land it for yourself; not a problem, but give us a hint! I'm not doing this to land the barnyard deal, so give up the goods.

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Could there be more than 17 cars? Were cars sold new in Canada included in the 17? The reason I ask is that in the early 70's the sun of the owner of a big Pontiac dealer here in Montreal was campaigning a 71 judge hardtop (cardinal red 4spd black interior) with a 428 with Tunnel port heads and a supposedly original factory dual quad.

What relates to this thread was his tow car: a matching 71 Judge (I always assumed it was) convertible. It was an HO, Cardinal red, black, black, full load (windows, seat, locks cruise, 8track etc) with honeycombs. I guess it could be a clone but I saw photos of it back in 71 at the dealership with the racecar. Maybe they cloned it from an HO convertible because the Judge was discontinued midyear or....it's #18?

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Lots of odd things happened with those Canadian cars, there isn't much telling about that. I am a firm believer anything is possible with Pontiac back then; and that's not even throwing Canada in the mix.

Not real sure who came up with the magic number 17. Gary just told me today that he heard they were only going to make 15 total, then some strings were pulled to make 2 more.

JM or Fred Simmons has circulated 14 VIN's years ago, with the story the other 3 VIN's are not known. Don't know for sure what to think about that one.

Dan McKinnon told me today he thought the Black car was near destroyed in a fire, but that's just a lead at this point.

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Update on Car 14 and more to come per the owner.

http://www.428gto.com/71judge.htm

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Check this out, early 70's photo while being raced in Sweden by a female occording to the person that sent it to me; probably Kevin's, waiting for verification.


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The red/black 4-speed that is currently (or at least was as of a few years ago) in a huge musclecar collection in WA state (can't remember the guys name) came from Sweden. GC brought it back from there in the mid-90s and restored it.

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Kevin Suydam is his name.

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Yup! That's it.

When I bought my bird from Gary in Dec 1996, he had just brought that car back from Sweden and had it in his shop all stripped down. I remember it having a very poor rendition of the Judge stripes, hand painted on by some Swedish bodyguy.

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Even though the picture isn't very clear, I would guess those are vinyl stripes. The sender pointed out it had white call outs, not sure if white or black would be correct but I know it has black now. Also noticeable is the white seats with black backs and head rest; back seat appears black. The sender also made note of tow bar, I’m waiting his permission to post the accompanying email.

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Old 09-04-2007, 06:26 PM
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Kevin does believe this is his car.

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Actually, in the picture it looks like someone just threw a white cover of some kind over the seat. You can still see the black on the side of the front bucket and the edge of what looks like a white cover draping over the seat. My convertible has a black vinyl interior so I can understand why someone would do that.

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Yes, you are correct. I should have taken more time to look at it.

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For those of you that have been skeered to venture over to my web page; here is what it’s all about, although you can’t hit the links here to pictures and invoices.

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1. Cameo White, ivory, white, Auto VIN # 242671P131352 @ Current owner Bill Wieman in AZ, last owned by Mike Green in CA PHS
2. Cameo White, ivory, white, Auto @ May be in Sweden now, new rumor that this car may have been involved in a collision in Sweden.
3. Cameo white, black, black, Auto
4. Quezal Gold, black, black, 4 speed VIN # 242671P121426 @ Current owner Milt Robson, currently being repainted to original color, was Gary Daniels in Tulsa probably sold for $300,000+, prior to Gary was owned by the original purchaser who painted it blue in before taking delivery. Options
5. Aztec Gold, sienna, sandalwood, Auto
6. Aztec Gold, ivory, white, 4 speed @ It’s been a long standing rumor that this car was totaled just after it was sold new; within the circle of those who are “in the know”.
7. Special paint Camaro Rally Green, ivory, white, Auto @ Possibly owned by Mike Green in CA.
8. Tropical Lime, black, black, Auto VIN # 242671P110472 @ Was Dan McKinnon's in VA, in Canada and for sale at Legendary Motor. PHS
9. Tropical lime, black, white, Auto VIN # 242671P101929 @ Current owner Alan Reed, was in Kansas for 20 ish years. PHS Picb Picc Picd Pice Picf
10. Cardinal red, black, white, Auto VIN # 242671P104128 (Note: VIN is not verified yet by invoice or owner) @ Current owner Steve Ames, unrestored.
11. Cardinal Red, black, black, 4 speed VIN # 242671P106957 @ Current owner Kevin Suydam in Seattle, was Gary Cave's, was in Sweden before Gary. PHS The car in Sweden back in the 70’s Pic
12. Laurentian Green, black, black, Auto VIN # 242671P110372 @ Was Steve and Noreen Brown's, restored by Scott Tiemann, Sold 12/10/05 at auction for $197,500 +10% auction buyers fee. PHS As can be seen by the color codes, the top color has been changed. More pics: 1 2 3 4
13. Laurentian Green, ivory, white, Auto @ Not sure if this is the correct picture per car.
14. Canyon Copper, sienna, sandalwood, Auto VIN # 242671P110916 @ Current owner Ron Johnson of Potomac Classic bought this car in pieces and is now having it restored. PA. Ron has no intentions of selling the car at this time.
15. Starlight Black, sienna, white, Auto @ Rumors have it this car was in a fire, or more precisely was the fire.
16. Lucerne Blue, blue, white, Auto @ Racin Injun from Classical Pontiac has provided some pictures which are possibly this car at a show in the early 90’s. 1 2 3
17. Castillian Bronze, Sienna, Sandlewood, Auto VIN # 242671P110366 @ PICS and PHS

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I have found there are some very nice people and few not so nice people involved with these cars; the current owner of car 14 is one of the good guys. Ron was gracious enough to share his Pontiac Invoice; it is now linked on my page.

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That is going to be a nice car when finished!

71 Canyon Copper/Sienna Judge vert, form wheel, 8 trac/stereo and honeys doesn't get any better for me.

I'm sure Ron will do a great job on this car too, and it is great to be able to see the PHS as well.

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I think Sienna is a very subjective interior color. To me, it really holds Rons car back. If it was Ivory interior, I would have considered a deal with him, if it was Tropical Lime with Ivory,against better judgement, the car would be sitting here in the shop right now. Ron is a gentleman and I know he will do the car right.

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This is just too much!!!!


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