[pontiac rodder]

going to go look at this car today first digits of vin are 2u87y3n I think it is a real 455 formula trying to get a better value on car or is it right on the money
http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/5057710261.html

[Brewster]

Looks like it still has its plastic front valance. Wonder if white is its original color ?
Here is a pretty cool one on ebay to review: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...m=201368010721

[Norwood]

Originally Posted by pontiac rodder

going to go look at this car today first digits of vin are 2u87y3n I think it is a real 455 formula trying to get a better value on car or is it right on the money
http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/5057710261.html

I won't value but will say yhat it will be thousands to put this car back wear it belongs

[71formula455]

Originally Posted by Brewster

Looks like it still has its plastic front valance. Wonder if white is its original color ?
Here is a pretty cool one on ebay to review: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...m=201368010721

Wonder what this means exactly. . "The frame rails were lengthened by the previous owner for improved chassis strength" . . . rust repair. .

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by pontiac rodder

going to go look at this car today first digits of vin are 2u87y3n I think it is a real 455 formula trying to get a better value on car or is it right on the money
http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/5057710261.html

I think he's in the ballpark since its a 455 4 speed... 12k would be my number..

BTW - Formula 455 4 speeds are rare... I don't know the exact numbers... but there were only around 4-500 made IIRC..

[2manyT/A'S]

Originally Posted by 71formula455

Wonder what this means exactly. . "The frame rails were lengthened by the previous owner for improved chassis strength" . . . rust repair. .

Prolly means it has subframe connectors............

Nice looking W66....needs some cosmetics......but most are easy fixes........price seems a tad optimistic....for a D port car.

Would be nice to see the PHS.....I'll bet the rear rear spoiler and Formula steering wheel have been added......spoiler end caps are too long....later style....Those repop Formula wheels are BUTT ugly.....

First thing I'd do is let some air out of the springs....about 2" worth......

[dadsformula]

If this is a real L75/M21 Formula, it is one of 227 ever made (all in 1973)
Only other way to get a Formy 455 with a 4 speed was and HO in 71 or 72
and the SD in 73 (only 10 of those were made, but not sure if included in the
227 number) or 74 So yes, any Formy 455, 4 speed is a very rare Car. This one
is a Standard Interior and No Gauges, and the lack of options make it unusual
as most I have seen have 20 or more options. PHS would be interesting as many
of these were Ram Air as well. All of these L75 4 speeds were M21 Big in/Big out
heavy Duty Muncies, identical to a Rock crusher, although without the gears that
make that famous sound. Same ratios, and the vin should appear on the Trans
(drivers side). Hood and shaker are not original, but this I'm sure is to look
like one of the SD Formies. This car has the same drive train as a 73 Trans-Am
and if equipped with Y99 option, would have the same suspension and 15 inch wheels
as well. All about the PHS with the Cars.

[bird72]

If there are no surprises the ad doesn't show, and it is real F455, seems he is priced exactly right to me. I wouldn't sell a 455 / 4 speed real 73 Formula for a penny less in that status shape. I think in a couple years the hindsight will show this as likely a very good deal. only my two bits, no worth.

[The Boss]

My NOS fenders would be perfect for that car! Hmmmm.

[dadsformula]

I agree completely with Bird72. F455's in general and 4 speeds in particular are
very rare cars. Some time ago a Black 73, F455 Auto with NOM and color changes
went for well over 40K. Nice Car and great paint, but very far from Original.
This was indicated as a very rare and unusual Car, so the biggest problem in selling
one is finding someone that has ever heard of one. I have also seen very nice
Cars not sold for long periods of time, and the prices, although the reason for sure,
did not seem crazy to me. These Cars are just vastly undervalued, and people
just don't want to part with them for less than the expected Money. I bought mine
in pieces 5 years ago, and thought I paid to much, but now not so much.

[wizard61]

I agree with both of you. It took me years to find the one I'm restoring with Steve up at My Muscle Car Memories. It is a True Ram Air L75/M21 Formula, with the Y99 option, and A/C. Steve also thinks these cars are very rare. I wonder how many out of the few that were made have survived to today. I would guess very few.

Mine should be back on the road shortly.

James

[charles bledsoe]

The seats are wrong, not the 73 horse collar type. They look like 72 seat pattern. You might want to make sure it is what they say it is. Do they have a PHS for the car?

[blue71ta]

Originally Posted by charles bledsoe

The seats are wrong, not the 73 horse collar type. They look like 72 seat pattern. You might want to make sure it is what they say it is. Do they have a PHS for the car?

the seats are correct for a standard interior (which this car has). The horse collars are part of the Custom (deluxe) interior.

[Formulabruce]

Originally Posted by wizard61

I agree with both of you. It took me years to find the one I'm restoring with Steve up at My Muscle Car Memories. It is a True Ram Air L75/M21 Formula, with the Y99 option, and A/C. Steve also thinks these cars are very rare. I wonder how many out of the few that were made have survived to today. I would guess very few.

Mine should be back on the road shortly.

James

I wonder how many had each type of emissions ...... Were any WU3 cars made with type 2 emissions?? ...
That ebay car will sell subjectively, even though its got 5 leaf rear springs ( Im a betting man)
The Craigslist car has better value for a resto IMHO.. and IS worth the price if its not rotted and its got its drivetrain. Sell off the T/A stuff and get started on it...
Good luck!

[charles bledsoe]

Originally Posted by blue71ta

the seats are correct for a standard interior (which this car has). The horse collars are part of the Custom (deluxe) interior.

Did not know that. They look just like the seats in my 72 Formula which has the deluxe interior. Learn something new all the time.
Thanks.

[wizard61]

Formulabruce,

My WU3 Formula was sold in California and has the VJ9 California Test Code listed on the PHS. I do not know if that qualifies for "type 2 emissions" or not. I agree with you on the price of the Ebay car as well as long as the rust hasn't eaten the really expensive to fix parts.

James

[Formulabruce]

Originally Posted by wizard61

Formulabruce,

My WU3 Formula was sold in California and has the VJ9 California Test Code listed on the PHS. I do not know if that qualifies for "type 2 emissions" or not. I agree with you on the price of the Ebay car as well as long as the rust hasn't eaten the really expensive to fix parts.

James

Your build date / engine color would determine its emissions..
all Calif cars have the $15.00 Calif test on the window sticker.
The Ebay car, being NOT a numbers car, is totally subjective to looks and quality IMHO
The CL car would get my vote for a super nice project if it is as described..
TY James

[dadsformula]

Wizard. Is yours the Red one from about two years ago. I remember that
discussion as I felt bad that we didn't trust the seller to much. If this is the Car
I'm thinking of, you were the one that took the plunge and checked it out, and if my
memory serves the seller was typical in that he was reluctant to let it go. Saw
several pics, and it looked like a great resto candidate. Ram Air was the only
option I regretted not seeing on my PHS.

I wonder if the emissions is referring to the EPA rejection of the early 73's The
early intakes were all recalled, and mandated to be replaced with the later intake
that didn't have the timer near the throttle lever. For this reason any early Car
must be considered correct with the later intake. It would be much more proper to
find than an original early intake as they were deemed illegal by the EPA. Later
intakes can be identified by the presence of the vacuum Switch on the water crossover.

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by 71formula455

Wonder what this means exactly. . "The frame rails were lengthened by the previous owner for improved chassis strength" . . . rust repair. .

Sub frame connectors? If so... coupled with a NOM = Had the sh** ran out of it at one time..

[bird72]

Originally Posted by Formulabruce

Your build date / engine color would determine its emissions..

OK, you may be solving a mystery for me Sir! Can you elaborate? My 71 is a Cal emissions car. The engine color is funny.......