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Default Nice 1967 Bonneville 428 HO sedan on ebay

Needs some work but a good looking car and nicely optioned, especially the 428...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Pontia...8AAOSwmt1gMQ9c

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Maybe you should buy it as a donor car for your 67 Bonnie (or vice versa)...

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Not an HO car.. and highly doubt its originally from CA.

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My friend looked at it. Roof is rotted pretty bad. I don't believe it has HO manifolds. YH is an HO code for 67 from what I saw but I'll bet that it is a later engine.
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It’s had a lot done to it , and needs a LOT more done do it!
If it was as nice as billed, it would be nice to have. It’s not, though!

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YH isn't HO for a 67 428 376hp - it's the 360hp 428
Still a 4bolt Main Block with 670 Heads
The PHS would have the EUN to prove whether it was the original block.

Car isn't a California Car either - at least not as built/delivered.
67 Pontiacs sold new in California all had A.I.R. and their own separate Block Codes.
360hp Auto = Y2
376hp Auto = Y3

Doesn't completely mean it has never been to/in California though.

I'm not 100% certain you could get Rally2 on a fullsize if it had Disc Brakes (from factory). I think you had to get the Disc Brake Hubcaps , which are Cool.

It could be a beautiful car and looks to be drawing some bids.

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I'm not 100% certain you could get Rally2 on a fullsize if it had Disc Brakes (from factory).
This is correct, same with the California-only codes for the blocks. It has a lot of potential, I would actually hazard a guess that it is truly a California car based on that window rust. California cars didn't see rain anywhere near as much as the rest of the country, so people didn't necessarily notice the leaking windows and the rust forming like they would have back east. Well, they did actually: see the clear silicon on the back window which is a ghetto fix Californians love for fixing leaky windows. If the car was an east coast or midwest car the fenders and quarters would have much more rust than seen and the engine compartment would be much crustier.

I had a '67 Bonneville that had the exact same rust in the back window and front window that was repaired and it was a NorCal farming community car all its life for 40+ years. That car was repaired before it did much of any damage to the trunk and it was gorgeous underneath and inside for sheet metal. The roof looks like it received a lot of paint from the factory despite the vinyl top, which likely saved the roof from worse rot.

If you can fabricate the window channels for the rear window and patch metal, I'd say you would have a pretty nice car for not a lot of money. But if you're farming that out it's gonna be expensive if you can even find someone willing to do the work without a trowel.

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I'm not 100% certain you could get Rally2 on a fullsize if it had Disc Brakes (from factory). I think you had to get the Disc Brake Hubcaps , which are Cool.
Could you even get 5x5 Rally II's in 1967? I thought they started later on full size cars when I looked into them for my 2+2, although I was using sketchy and likely incomplete web references to check. If they did have them in '67, do you (or anyone) know the 2 letter code to ID them?

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Could you even get 5x5 Rally II's in 1967?
The factory literature I have for 1967 specifically says you can only get 14" Rally IIs on big cars without disc brakes or H-70 wide oval tires. 1969's literature calls out that 15" Rally IIs for big cars are new for that year. I don't have definitive literature for big cars in 1968, but the language of 1969's catalogs indicates that it was "new" to get 15" 5 on 5 wheels then, so I presume that 1967 and 1968 you were not able to get disc brakes and Rally IIs from the factory (the "Disc" caps that came in 1967 were also no longer available then either). This is with the obvious caveat that factory pre-printed literature is not to be 100% trusted, but over these 3 years I think it's a pretty safe bet that factory 15" disc brake Rally II cars were not a thing until 1969 at the earliest (definitely by 1971).

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Could you even get 5x5 Rally II's in 1967? I thought they started later on full size cars when I looked into them for my 2+2, although I was using sketchy and likely incomplete web references to check. If they did have them in '67, do you (or anyone) know the 2 letter code to ID them?
It has 15" Rallys, so they are 1969-1972 rims

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Could you even get 5x5 Rally II's in 1967?
...If they did have them in '67, do you (or anyone) know the 2 letter code to ID them?
You could get 14x6 / 5x5 on 67 GrandPrix and 2+2 (going by sales brochure).
I'm not sure about (i dont know) Cats, Bonn's, etc..
For the Stamped wheel code - i don't know - might can find it later.
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But on the 67 Fullsize Order Form i have (what PHS sends out)
It does not list Rally2 or Hood Tach
But both were available on 2+2 and GP
So there must be another revised version of the 67 order sheet or separate sheet for GP and 2+2 , or maybe listed on the Special Equipment page.

The 68 Order Form does list Rally2 and Hood Tach
Also states Rally2 not available with #482 (15" wheel) or #521 (Disc Brakes)

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If they did have them in '67, do you (or anyone) know the 2 letter code to ID them?
For 67 and 68 Fullsize Rally2 14x6 / 5x5
Stamp Code = JB
GM Part # 9787860

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Car isn't a California Car either - at least not as built/delivered.
67 Pontiacs sold new in California all had A.I.R. and their own separate Block Codes.
360hp Auto = Y2
376hp Auto = Y3
This was incorrect - regarding AIR/Cali codes for 67 428 Automatics
My Apology

The Automatics did not use a separate code - for whatever reason - idunno why.
The Manuals DID use separate codes for AIR/Cali.

Just witnessed a 67 GP 428 Sold New in Cali with AIR
YH code on PHS
612 & 614 (616) Emission Codes on PHS , and AIR equipment still on the car.

Zone/Dealer Code 24-100 in the LA district.
State Codes = To:California (04) -//- From:Kansas (15)

You can view the details/documents/car at this link :
https://www.plainfieldpontiac.com/1967-grand-prix

Still doesn't help build a case for the 4door Bonne being a Cali Car - no AIR pieces are present on the car. But it does open the door for higher "possibility" that it "could" have still been sold there - and all the emissions equipment removed.

Y2 was Police Pkg 360hp Auto
Y3 was Police Pkg 376hp Auto
Anyone care to guess what would have made the Police Pkg a different Block Code ??
i will guess they used more Camshaft ? (068 Manual Camshaft) just guessing


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You could get 14x6 / 5x5 on 67 GrandPrix and 2+2 (going by sales brochure).

But on the 67 Fullsize Order Form i have (what PHS sends out)
It does not list Rally2 or Hood Tach
But both were available on 2+2 and GP
So there must be another revised version of the 67 order sheet or separate sheet for GP and 2+2 , or maybe listed on the Special Equipment page.
Rally 2's (Code 453) in 67 could be something that needs more investigating.
Probably the Hood Tachs , also.
Maybe they didn't make it to production - or were late - on GP & 2+2

Would need to find a PHS with #453 listed on it.
None of the 67 2+2 PHS's in the new Registry have #453 listed
Seems like at least 1 would
so ................................... idunno

The biggest oddity about the 67 Hood Tachs - they also are not listed on the 67 GTO Order Form either .
Had never noticed this before.

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Still doesn't help build a case for the 4door Bonne being a Cali Car - no AIR pieces are present on the car. But it does open the door for higher "possibility" that it "could" have still been sold there - and all the emissions equipment removed.
While this is true, the AC compressor bracket is wrong for an A.I.R. car and based on the angle I think the alternator\power steering bracket is wrong for an A.I.R. car as well (not certain, hard to see). I have a hard time believing that someone would track down the correct '67 brackets instead of just removing the smog pump and lines. The bracket for the compressor helped mount the pump so it's very obvious when it's been removed.

Or it was a car that got its engine rebuilt sometime in the last 50 years and they just did a Jasper-style core exchange or salvage yard take-out and replaced it with a generic other engine. No partial VINs in 1967 so without the P-O-P you'd never know besides seeing how close the date code are.

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The PHS will have the Engine Unit Number (number stamped by the Block Code)
As good or better than a VIN stamp - since most don't know about unique EUN codes to restamp them.
Just as the PoP would have the EUN

Anyone paying over 5-6k for the car should probably get a PHS on it.
It's at $5400 now

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I messaged the seller and they said some online resource said YH was an HO. They now are aware it may not be.

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Wallace Racing calls a YH an HO in 1967

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Have a link?
I think I corrected that?



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