[jhein]

OK, so I found a local engine builder, Archie Somers as recommended by VCho455. It's gonna be a 467 stroker. Eagle cast crank and H beam forged rods. Edelbrock 87 cc D port heads. Comp Cams XR 288HR hyd roller cam (520/540 236/242 @ .050). 1.5 rockers. Stock intake, Q-jet and RA manifolds.

Heads ordered today from Butler with the stealth option. Somers is sourcing the rotating assembly and says everything is in stick and will be ordered in the next day or so.

:Now the waiting. Project should start in approximately 3 months.

[4dblnkldude]

Sweet!!! Are we guessing HP #'s yet? I say 518 with 560 tq.

[R 70 Judge]

Sounds like a nice combination

Adding some mild port work definitely wouldn’t hurt. If you have a little extra money to spend the Simms roller bearing cam plate and timing sets are a pretty nice piece. He posts in the performance for sale section.

[4dblnkldude]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Sounds like a nice combination

Adding some mild port work definitely wouldn’t hurt. If you have a little extra money to spend the Simms roller bearing cam plate and timing sets are a pretty nice piece. He posts in the performance for sale section.

Concur, put it in my last 455 in my 69 bird.

[Aus78Formula]

Is this for the 70 or another project?

[jhein]

Originally Posted by 4dblnkldude

Sweet!!! Are we guessing HP #'s yet? I say 518 with 560 tq.

I was thinking around 500 hp 550 tq. I'd be more than happy with that. We'll know for sure once it's been dyno'd.

Happy days for sure!.

[jhein]

Originally Posted by Aus78Formula

Is this for the 70 or another project?

It's for the 70.

[jhein]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

Sounds like a nice combination

Adding some mild port work definitely wouldn’t hurt. If you have a little extra money to spend the Simms roller bearing cam plate and timing sets are a pretty nice piece. He posts in the performance for sale section.

Yeah, I'll be talking with him more about porting. But really, I'm not going to try to squeeze every last thing out of it. I'm pretty sure this setup will get me where I want to be pretty easily.

I'll check out the Simms stuff.

[ID67goat]

I would step up to the forged crank if I was you. Then if you plan to step it up in the future, your bottom end is already capable of handling more power.

[78w72]

x2 on the forged crank. & is there a reason you didnt get the stroker kit from butler too? they pre balance them that will save some labor from the builder. or is somers getting a different kit for less money?

i have the butler eagle/ross kit in my 467 with the forged crank, when i bought it about 5 years ago they had the best price for the quality of parts & was inspected & balanced that nobody else did at the time.

[jhein]

Originally Posted by ID67goat

I would step up to the forged crank if I was you.

Originally Posted by 78w72

x2 on the forged crank. & is there a reason you didnt get the stroker kit from butler too?

I was wondering if anyone would suggest a forged crank. That's what I was thinking initially but Somers said I didn't really need it for this application. So I was trying to be "reasonable". But, really the upgrade is about $500 which is still real money but it's only about 3-4% of the cost of the whole project so, really not that much.

As for not getting a kit from Butler, he wants to get all the parts ASAP because he is worried about availability. The kit includes the pistons but I am going to need custom pistons and he won't know the exact specs until he gets all his measurements. It's still the same eagle crank and rods and he is matching the Butler prices.

[78w72]

Originally Posted by jhein

I was wondering if anyone would suggest a forged crank. That's what I was thinking initially but Somers said I didn't really need it for this application. So I was trying to be "reasonable". But, really the upgrade is about $500 which is still real money but it's only about 3-4% of the cost of the whole project so, really not that much.

As for not getting a kit from Butler, he wants to get all the parts ASAP because he is worried about availability. The kit includes the pistons but I am going to need custom pistons and he won't know the exact specs until he gets all his measurements. It's still the same eagle crank and rods and he is matching the Butler prices.

yeah the upgrade was a big decision for me too, lots of people say the cast crank is fine but then you read stories of cast cranks breaking under street use at the same or less power than you or i are making. granted they are rare cases but it has & can happen with these china made cast cranks. my reasoning for a ~$400 at the time expense was "what if", if the crank breaks its almost guaranteed that it will take out the block & other parts costing thousands of dollars to repair, vs a 1 time expense to go forged & greatly reduce that chance. plus if you plan to make more power down the road its extra insurance.

does butler have an availability issue that would cause a problem? they have the ross pistons custom made so might be able to have them reserve you the rest of the kit after payment & just wait for measurements for the pistons? is the builder matching butlers price including the balancing he will have to do? just an idea to consider for some savings & the forged upgrade for reliability.

[jhein]

I talked to Somers and the only arguments against the forged crank were money and availability. His supplier was saying late January or February. Butler had it in stock so I just ordered it. Somers has everything else ordered and he wants to do the balancing so that's fine with me. If you price out all the components in the Butler kit, it looks like they are charging round $200 for the balancing. I don't know if it'll be more for Somers to do it but that's how it's going down.

[78w72]

Originally Posted by jhein

I talked to Somers and the only arguments against the forged crank were money and availability. His supplier was saying late January or February. Butler had it in stock so I just ordered it. Somers has everything else ordered and he wants to do the balancing so that's fine with me. If you price out all the components in the Butler kit, it looks like they are charging round $200 for the balancing. I don't know if it'll be more for Somers to do it but that's how it's going down.

sounds good. will it be dyno'd or broken in by the builder before you get it?

[jhein]

Originally Posted by 78w72

sounds good. will it be dyno'd or broken in by the builder before you get it?

Yep, the whole enchilada. Broken in and full dyno test and tune.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Are you going to use the original WS block for this new build ?

[jhein]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Are you going to use the original WS block for this new build ?

Yes, with the stock intake, Q-jet and RA exhaust manifolds. Stock valve covers too (thicker or double gasket). The only giveaway will be the heads.

[OCMDGTO]

I'm real interested in your results! I vote for spending your money on a forged crank, ported heads, and 1.65 rockers.

[jhein]

Originally Posted by OCMDGTO

I'm real interested in your results! I vote for spending your money on a forged crank, ported heads, and 1.65 rockers.

That is if I can find a Forged crank. It looked like Butler had them but they called me and said they were out of stock and no ETA. Summit had a ETA of 2/16/21 on their site so I ordered one. We're not planning on starting until March so we'll see.

I don't know about 1.65 rockers. That's already a fairly aggressive cam don't you think?

[OCMDGTO]

I'm no authority but good aluminum heads are still flowing past that .520/.540 lift. Somebody just posted here recently about using that cam w 1.65s/ported heads with great results but I think they had an aftermarket intake. I ran that cam in a 400/iron head combo w 1.50s, it was great. I hear ya on the forged crank availability but think it's money well spent for peace of mind, personally. Your performance goals and budget will decide.