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I'm working on a 1970 Formula and want to know if these look like the original front seat belts. Specifically the outboard belt that's in a plastic sleeve. All the pictures I can find show a retractable belt. The label says Irvin model #2910 date 32A70. I know there should also be a shoulder belt that mounts to the roof that was missing. The build date of the car is 06A.
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Old 01-24-2023, 04:38 PM
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I think so. There are separate lap belts and shoulder belts. Those look just like the ones in my 1970 Formula.

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I'm working on a 1970 Formula and want to know if these look like the original front seat belts. Specifically the outboard belt that's in a plastic sleeve. All the pictures I can find show a retractable belt. The label says Irvin model #2910 date 32A70. I know there should also be a shoulder belt that mounts to the roof that was missing. The build date of the car is 06A.
The top pic is the outboard belt, yes looks like its correct. That said 2 female buckles bolt to the hump ( inboard) .
One for lap, second for shoulder. As I'm sure you know these females store in your console side clips.

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Thanks for the response. I thought the belts were original to the car, but the only other 70 cars I've seen had a retractor belt on the outboard side.

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I am going to chance contradicting a respected member of this forum;
Those lap belts are 1971 model year belts.

The female end is the same for 1970 & 1971, but as mentioned the correct 1970 male belt is a retractor belt.

The shoulder belts use the same female belt as the lap, but have a fixed length male belt attached to the roof.

I would suggest the complete absence of shoulder belts as a hit that your original belts were removed from your car.

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Thanks for the input. I was thinking that may be the case just based on the research I've done. It's really tough to find any original 70 belts to compare them to

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Those lap belts are 1971 model year belts.

The female end is the same for 1970 & 1971, but as mentioned the correct 1970 male belt is a retractor belt.
Agreed.

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I am going to chance contradicting a respected member of this forum;
Those lap belts are 1971 model year belts.

The female end is the same for 1970 & 1971, but as mentioned the correct 1970 male belt is a retractor belt.

The shoulder belts use the same female belt as the lap, but have a fixed length male belt attached to the roof.

I would suggest the complete absence of shoulder belts as a hit that your original belts were removed from your car.
After looking, I might agree, but I have seen that long plastic set up on a deluxe belted car. ( 06D though, so it could be an exception) The retractor is a much shorter unit, just threw away 6 of them.. ( not black and nobody wanted them)

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If anyone out there has a pair of the retractor belts in black I would be interested

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I am going to chance contradicting a respected member of this forum;
Those lap belts are 1971 model year belts.

The female end is the same for 1970 & 1971, but as mentioned the correct 1970 male belt is a retractor belt.

The shoulder belts use the same female belt as the lap, but have a fixed length male belt attached to the roof.

I would suggest the complete absence of shoulder belts as a hit that your original belts were removed from your car.
Agreed, you are correct. 1970 one year only for outboard single retractor belt, male. They have a long hold up sleeve like Novas and Camaro.

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If anyone out there has a pair of the retractor belts in black I would be interested
Look for 69 70 Camaro and Nova. Same thing.

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oh, if they are the same as 1969 Camaros, you can probably buy them brand new!

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model #2910 date 32A70. I know there should also be a shoulder belt that mounts to the roof that was missing.
Open Question to the group -

I don't remember how the date codes work on seatbelts anymore -
Is that the 32nd week of 1970 ?
Can't be 32nd day of January

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oh, if they are the same as 1969 Camaros, you can probably buy them brand new!
Just quoting this because it was a good thought..

I'm not sure if the outer retractor sleeve on these 69's is as long as full correct 1970 , but google search does show New Front sets/pairs for 67-69 F-Body.
They would be pretty close., even if not exactly right

www.ss396.com show Deluxe Male/Female pair @ $160 (1 seat)

www.seatbeltsplus.com show Standard M/F pairs @ $340 (2 seats)
but the buckles look like half Deluxe/half Std cross - and the release buttons are starburst - not GM logo

Heartbeatcitycamaro shows some Standards that look about right but the buttons aren't blue
Looks like a GM release button from a Deluxe buckle
$170 per set and Back Ordered

Ames may offer them too , but I just checked some quick results that had pictures listed.

Appears you need to be extra inquisitive about the buttons on the Standard units.
Some just show a blurr , and will be starburst logo.


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These won't pass critical judging , but they could help finish a car and make it legal to drive.
14 Colors including Bright Blue
Plastics and boots come painted to match the webbings.
Reman GM Buckles (not exactly early 2nd Gen Standard) with Blue GM buttons
$344 = 2 front lap belt sets

https://www.seatbeltplanet.com/i-304...waAkbpEALw_wcB


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date 32A70. I know there should also be a shoulder belt that mounts to the roof that was missing. The build date of the car is 06A.
Those "might" could be late production 1970 belts , just not correct for your front seats.
A = Standard Belt
32nd week of 1970
Your car was built approx 22nd week 1970

Those could be rear belts from back seat of a Buick , as an example.
And could work for your rear seat too.

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Hear are mine, I took pics of them. They are deluex but will give you an idea. I hope. I got alot of fun work in future . I had my car stored in garage but dad kicked it out and had to put on side of house sun kills stuff. This is think.correct . I.was a kid when I changed the carpet. Itsnew but sun faded too.
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Mine look longer and they original to car
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Hope these pics helped you.
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Old 01-26-2023, 02:57 AM
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Hope these pics helped you.
If you can slide the seat up and get good angle pictures of the front seat belt retractors , that would be a great help to him / us.
Its been so long since I opened the door on my 70 I can't remember exactly what the retractor is supposed to look like exactly.

The 67-69 F units might not be as close as thought.
But I saw some other retractors termed as universal for trucks and vans that might be another possibility.
And they were genuine GM new old stock.
And cheaper
And Deluxe M / F sets

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