[Randy S]

Hello,
New to the group and looking for help completely understanding the recently received PHS manifest. I was just gifted this GTO from my Father-in-Law at Christmas. He purchased the car used in 1965 with 7k for miles, now showing 49k. I removed from the barn where he parked in 1971. I have not received the window sticker that may provide more information mainly on the Muncie and rear gear ratio


Thanks Randy

[326HO-Lemans]

I think the rear gear might be 3.90? 39:10 on bottom page.


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[1_Wild_Cat]

Wow - that is quite a gift. Neat car. Definitely 3.90 rear gear - which I think required limited slip and metallic brake linings (both are shown on the manifest). John V. has written on the forum about the transmission (M20 vs. M21) and a quick search should provide you with the detailed discussion of that can-of-worms.

Otherwise...Marimba Red with black interior, tri power, 4-speed, lamp group (underhood, glove box, luggage lamp, etc>), basic group (I think - push button radio, two-speed wipers with washer, etc.), quick ratio steering, HD shocks, dash pad, and seat belt retractors. White stripe tires with poverty hubcaps (I think). It's been awhile since I read one of these from the manifest.

How about some pictures of the car? We all would love to see it.

[WQ59B]

The original '05 351' dealer was Piehler Pontiac out of Rochester NY.

[Randy S]

Originally Posted by 1_Wild_Cat

Wow - that is quite a gift. Neat car. Definitely 3.90 rear gear - which I think required limited slip and metallic brake linings (both are shown on the manifest). John V. has written on the forum about the transmission (M20 vs. M21) and a quick search should provide you with the detailed discussion of that can-of-worms.

Otherwise...Marimba Red with black interior, tri power, 4-speed, lamp group (underhood, glove box, luggage lamp, etc>), basic group (I think - push button radio, two-speed wipers with washer, etc.), quick ratio steering, HD shocks, dash pad, and seat belt retractors. White stripe tires with poverty hubcaps (I think). It's been awhile since I read one of these from the manifest.

How about some pictures of the car? We all would love to see it.

I have looked at the car in the barn for almost 40 years, was hoping to have got it out of the barn sooner.

[Randy S]

Yes, thanks. Of course the dealer in no longer Pontiac, I called the dealer to see if any old records were available.

[johnta1]

The '9' after the engine codes is for M21 tranny.
(with 3.90 gear)

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by johnta1

The '9' after the engine codes is for M21 tranny.
(with 3.90 gear)

Agree! I had the same gear/trans combination when I received my "Brass Hat" 64 GTO.

Tom V.

[1_Wild_Cat]

I dug back to find the John V. post regarding the M-21. Here is the link...see post #7

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...&highlight=M21

Nice looking project. I look forward to seeing you bring it back to life.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Randy S

Hello,
New to the group and looking for help completely understanding the recently received PHS manifest. I was just gifted this GTO from my Father-in-Law at Christmas. He purchased the car used in 1965 with 7k for miles, now showing 49k. I removed from the barn where he parked in 1971. I have not received the window sticker that may provide more information mainly on the Muncie and rear gear ratio


Thanks Randy

Built in Pontiac Michigan on my wife's third birthday.

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by 326HO-Lemans

I think the rear gear might be 3.90? 39:10 on bottom page.


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That's interesting.

Eric White's book shows 71P (that is, box 71 letter P) is a 3.55 rear axle. Looks like perhaps the order got changed, and in a timely fashion so that the build sheet could be updated. (For changes later than that the build sheet/invoice is marked in handwritten notes, with the pricing adjustments shown).

Other axle codes:

Box 70 code 3 = Saf T Trac

Box 69 code 2 = Metallic brakes.

K

[Randy S]

Originally Posted by 1_Wild_Cat

I dug back to find the John V. post regarding the M-21. Here is the link...see post #7

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...&highlight=M21

Nice looking project. I look forward to seeing you bring it back to life.

Thanks, that the mystery I am trying to confirm.

[johnta1]

I took the typed memo in the memo/blank section was for the gears.
Possibly put in trunk for dealer to install?
(maybe they wanted the M21 and the 3.90 but couldn't get it? )

[Randy S]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

That's interesting.

Eric White's book shows 71P (that is, box 71 letter P) is a 3.55 rear axle. Looks like perhaps the order got changed, and in a timely fashion so that the build sheet could be updated. (For changes later than that the build sheet/invoice is marked in handwritten notes, with the pricing adjustments shown).

Other axle codes:

Box 70 code 3 = Saf T Trac

Box 69 code 2 = Metallic brakes.

K

The information I have is P is 3.90 and F should be 3.55.

I will check to see what gear is in the rear which is out of the car, also look for a stamping on the passenger side of the housing.

My Father-in -law said the pinion nut came loose and hurt the ring and pinion. He purchased a rear from the Tin Indian, that the rear currently in the car.

[johnta1]

Yes, code P is for 3.90 gear.
(F is 3.55 gear)


Not sure why 39 10 was typed on card also

[Tom Vaught]

Car is in many ways built the same way but mine was a KC Build, Convertible, and Grenadier Red Color. White Top. Body is like Wangers 64 GTO. Was it built with a Mechanical Linkage or the Vacuum Linkage. March build date might have had the other linkage installed as the parts might have been available. My April Car had the mechanical carb linkage. But it was a ZONE CAR.

Tom V.

[Randy S]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Car is in many ways built the same way but mine was a KC Build, Convertible, and Grenadier Red Color. White Top. Body is like Wangers 64 GTO. Was it built with a Mechanical Linkage or the Vacuum Linkage. March build date might have had the other linkage installed as the parts might have been available. My April Car had the mechanical carb linkage. But it was a ZONE CAR.

Tom V.

This car was purchased at Mannheim auto auction in PA in 1965 with 7k miles. Some earlier information I read about Zone cars it may have 592 on the window sticker. Family members are local GM employees and I purchased a Zone vehicle, a SSEI Supercharged Bonneville.

This car also had copper head gaskets when he pulled the motor apart at 7500 miles shortly have he purchased.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Randy S

The information I have is P is 3.90 and F should be 3.55.

Originally Posted by johnta1

Yes, code P is for 3.90 gear.
(F is 3.55 gear)

Looks like we found a mistake in Eric's book. I'll make a note of it.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

K

[johnta1]

1964 AXLE CODES

A = 2.56
C = 2.93
D = 3.08
E = 3.36
F = 3.55
K = 3.23
P = 3.90