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johnta1 · 08-11-2009, 08:09 PM

Saw Pontiac Jack's awesome Hemi-headed Pontiac engine.

What a sweet sound in the morning.

Scott M · 08-11-2009, 08:31 PM

Why is it that, among ALL "Pontiac" engine builders, only Paul Spotts has a CONSISTENTLY fast car?

In other words, "one that makes three fast passes in the same weekend?"

And I'm not talking about builders who have their stickers on somebody else's car.

LiL Jack · 08-11-2009, 09:13 PM

How fast did Paul go at Norwalk?

Gach · 08-11-2009, 09:17 PM

Pual's running KRE D-port heads

Scott M · 08-11-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL Jack

How fast did Paul go at Norwalk?

What year? I believe he sat out this year.

Try not to answer a question with a question.

65nss4spdGTO · 08-11-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John Langer

The only person that asked me to run heads up was little Jack and I took his $100. I built my car around 2 classes. None are as stupid as 6.75/cube.

The basis for that class came from the original NSCA Pro-Nostalgia Class. What makes 6.75/cube a stupid class? Most full bodied Pontiac racers have trouble getting there car with a 505 ci motor to down to 3400lbs. The base weight for your class for a 525ci Big Block is 3550, that comes to 6.76 pounds per cubic inch. A 400 ci small block is 7.00/cube.

Kelvin Poe · 08-11-2009, 10:07 PM

Thanks again, guys.

Tom V - I'll save a seat for you under my awning in Wichita 2010, so I'll be looking for ya.

Johnta1 - It was good talking with you, sorry you weren't able to have your car there.

Gach · 08-11-2009, 10:13 PM

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The only person that asked me to run heads up was little Jack and I took his $100. I built my car around 2 classes. None are as stupid as 6.75/cube. The only class that I run in that Jimmy would be legal for is RAM 10.5. The rules say he has to weigh 3162lbs with his 2 carbs, sheet metal intake and clutchless trans but he would have to put a 29.5 x 10.5 tire on the car. Jimmy didnt ask me to run him heads up. I would have, no problem even with my hurt motor. He asked me why I wasnt running the 6.75lbs class, I told him what I had to weigh, he understood why I wouldn't add all that weight to my car. My transmission would explode on the starting line at that weight. Blowing up at $7500 trans wasn't worth the $1000 pot. The individuals that put up the loot for the class paid for what they wanted to see, small cube, big tire 5-speed cars. Congrat's to Jim on the win.
John he would have to weigh over 3300 and little tires to run in my class...

65nss4spdGTO: your numbers don't add up..I'll admit sounds similar..easy to take
numbers out of context and make them appear to be the same.

Wareagle · 08-11-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelvin Poe

Thanks again, guys.

Tom V - I'll save a seat for you under my awning in Wichita 2010, so I'll be looking for ya.

Johnta1 - It was good talking with you, sorry you weren't able to have your car there.

One wicked T/A --Congrats on the Q16 Win !!!! .

Scott M · 08-11-2009, 11:26 PM

I think Arnie's '64 Chevelle Pro Mod with tiger stripes ran a 7.20 something.

Rob B · 08-12-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

Saw Pontiac Jack's awesome Hemi-headed Pontiac engine.

What a sweet sound in the morning.

Helluva alarm clock going off!!

John Langer · 08-12-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

The basis for that class came from the original NSCA Pro-Nostalgia Class. What makes 6.75/cube a stupid class? Most full bodied Pontiac racers have trouble getting there car with a 505 ci motor to down to 3400lbs. The base weight for your class for a 525ci Big Block is 3550, that comes to 6.76 pounds per cubic inch. A 400 ci small block is 7.00/cube.

I am required to race at 6.238lbs/cid in the NMCA. Why would a full bodied Pontiac racer have a problem getting their car down to 3400lbs with a 505? A 400" motor weighs roughly the same as a 565" motor. 6.75/cube is stupid because a smaller motor is more efficient thus making more power per cube then a larger motor. Santioning bodies have sliding scales for weight based upon cid so having a flat 6.75lb rule is stupid. Factoring a clutchless the same as an auto is stupid. But alas, it wasn't my money, it wasn't my rules so it was my choice not to race under them. I didn't really say anything until some a$$ clown claimed I was called out and backed down.

Scott Roberts · 08-12-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott M

Why is it that, among ALL "Pontiac" engine builders, only Paul Spotts has a CONSISTENTLY fast car?

In other words, "one that makes three fast passes in the same weekend?"

And I'm not talking about builders who have their stickers on somebody else's car.

I guess you are not familiar with the funny car that resides in VA? 23 6 second passes and no failures. 17 of them in the 6.50's!

Scott M · 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

I guess you are not familiar with the funny car that resides in VA? 23 6 second passes and no failures. 17 of them in the 6.50's!

You're not an engine builder, Scott.

And your car isn't owned by Liberal Jim.

Read my original post.

Scott Roberts · 08-12-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott M

You're not an engine builder, Scott.

Read my original post.

I gotcha! You are saying engine builders that own their own cars. Most can't afford or have the time to build and maintain one would be my guess.They have to rely on customers to fund and let them build engines for them for their advertisement. I can assure you now one has built a more powerful/durable combo than CVMS and Dave Wilcox with the best parts supplied by AllPontiac

60man · 08-12-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelvin Poe

Thanks again, guys.

Tom V - I'll save a seat for you under my awning in Wichita 2010, so I'll be looking for ya.

Johnta1 - It was good talking with you, sorry you weren't able to have your car there.

Congrats on the Quick16 win !!!
Thanks for coming to rescue before my canopy took off with me hanging on !!!

Wind picked up after I removed last weight ....go figure...

That's one neat bad a$$ T/A you have..

Scott M · 08-12-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

1. I gotcha! You are saying engine builders that own their own cars.

2. Most can't afford or have the time to build and maintain one would be my guess.They have to rely on customers to fund and let them build engines for them for their advertisement.

1. Correct.

2. I disagree. Butlers have all the money they need. Where is their consistent six-second car? Other Pontiac engine builders/car owners have already been addressed here.

Kelvin Poe · 08-12-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 60man

Congrats on the Quick16 win !!!
Thanks for coming to rescue before my canopy took off with me hanging on !!!

Wind picked up after I removed last weight ....go figure...

That's one neat bad a$$ T/A you have..

Thanks alot, 60man and glad we could help. You have a pretty neat car there, yourself.

Scott M · 08-12-2009, 08:28 PM

Troy Tribby is my hero.

BruceWilkie · 08-12-2009, 08:58 PM

Tom and Jack, please dont take this wrong. I appreciate your intent and effort you put in to make the heads up event happen.

I have to agree with John Langer about 6.75 lb across the board break. Rams (NAShootout) rules would be worth looking at if an "honest" heads up NA shootout were to be reconsidered.

http://nashootout.com take a look at the different class rules.

http://www.nashootout.com/10.5.htm rules for 10.5" slick could be a reasonable guideline to find ideas for closer competition. Notice the sliding weight break John speaks of. Pro is lighter less restictive than 10.5 Radial is more restricted than 10.5.

Merely offering up a format guideline we (NAShootout) have and you are welcome to adapt any or all of the rules we use should you guys or others want to try this or something similar again.

I certainly would like to see all the fast NA door car Pontiacs at our events.

Bruce

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