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Old 11-01-2024, 10:45 AM
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Default 69 Judge Ram4 the real deal???

Anyone know the history behind this car ? Heads correct? Carb ect 1969 Judge ram air 4


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Old 11-01-2024, 12:16 PM
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The carb is stamped with the correct number but there is no two-letter plant code or date. Mostly likely a fake. The block is an SR, which most of them are and the casting number is correct. I can see the intake manifold casting number and that is correct, but I can't see the head castings. Should be 722. My guess is with a 4.33 rear gear, the original WW block blew up decades ago and the SR block was installed using the original heads, intake and exhaust manifolds. This was very common.

The PHS shows an AM radio, but someone installed a stereo unit. The washer bottle cap has been replaced and it also appears the oil filler cap on the left valve cover is not original. The side strips are not installed quite like the factory recommends but they're close. The cowl plate shows this car as a 2C, third week in February 1969. I didn't think the glove box Judge emblem was used on this early of a Judge, but I could be wrong about that. I owned an early Judge without the glove box emblem.

Overall and very nice car and if this was a numbers matching RAIV Judge, it would be worth much more. If you're interested, make sure you go over it well and bring someone that knows these cars inside and out.


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Old 11-01-2024, 12:25 PM
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Can anyone help with details. I can't get the link to work. I do know a bit about an orange RAIV Judge with vinyl top that was put up for sale recently.

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Old 11-01-2024, 12:36 PM
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Old 11-01-2024, 12:46 PM
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Can anyone help with details. I can't get the link to work. I do know a bit about an orange RAIV Judge with vinyl top that was put up for sale recently.
Rk motors North Carolina has it for sale .

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Old 11-01-2024, 01:08 PM
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Can anyone help with details. I can't get the link to work. I do know a bit about an orange RAIV Judge with vinyl top that was put up for sale recently.
https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/48...gto-judge-raiv



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Old 11-01-2024, 04:20 PM
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Nice to see that someone didn't hack up the hood to install a hood tach. Very early RAIV.

I am familiar with a car to which an idiot added a hood tach. Car came from the factory with a dash tach and its very disturbing to see both hood tach and dash tach when behind the wheel.

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Old 11-02-2024, 03:18 PM
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68 pics and none of the underside? You would think for that price they would have pulled the drive train and cleaned it up.

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Old 11-04-2024, 04:47 PM
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I can't access my files - still. Is this Richard Sergants (py member) car ?
His was the earliest known production IV Judge , and I think this is that car.
Was a stock class racer - dealer backed racer - when New.

Will try to do some checking.

02C wouldn't have the dash or glovebox emblem. But most end up with one or the other - or Both.
Mine is 02C non-pattern Ram3 , never had either emblem.

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Old 11-04-2024, 05:21 PM
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Richards car was from Dick Marson Pontiac in Washington.
Radio "delete" without Hideaways.
So it's not that one.

But the Bud Meadows Pontiac connection is ringing bells all inside my head.
Just can't connect those dots yet.

Maybe it's the former John Cena wrestler car ?
That one has been sold/resold many times.
And was always lacking in quality/details.

242379Z117723 (this car) just sold in May 2024 Mecum Indy for 160k
It's probably the former Cena car.

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Old 11-04-2024, 09:43 PM
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Not the Cena car

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:18 PM
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It’s pending

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:19 PM
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I put the deposit down .

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:32 PM
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I put the deposit down .
Right on man. Congrats

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:34 PM
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I think now, Cena's car was Hideaways and Cornering Lamps.

Send a message to member Johnta1 ,,,, and see if he has that VIN / PHS on file from previous time in the past.
Also check the 69 judge registry website.

If Johnta1 doesn't have it in his previous files -- order your own PHS.
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Old 11-04-2024, 10:36 PM
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I asked for my deposit back .Just too many unknowns for me to take the next step .

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:39 PM
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The carb is def restamped.
I'm not sure it is really known how many 4.33 cars were built.
That may not be a real factoid , can't remember reading that on Fred's sheets.
Fred Simmonds provided all our historical data in those type regards.

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Old 11-04-2024, 10:42 PM
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It seems fairly priced - especially for RK.
But definitely do full diligence.
I'm about 1.5 hours from the car , if you need an evaluation service on it.

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I can't access my files - still. Is this Richard Sergants (py member) car ?
His was the earliest known production IV Judge , and I think this is that car.
Was a stock class racer - dealer backed racer - when New.

Will try to do some checking.

02C wouldn't have the dash or glovebox emblem. But most end up with one or the other - or Both.
Mine is 02C non-pattern Ram3 , never had either emblem.
I highly doubt this is Richards car. His is still painted up like the Dealer drag car.

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Old 11-05-2024, 04:06 AM
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I highly doubt this is Richards car. His is still painted up like the Dealer drag car.
No it is not his dealer race car.

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Richards car was from Dick Marson Pontiac in Washington.
Radio "delete" without Hideaways.
So it's not that one.
But he owned 1 or 2 others , he may know something about this car from Bud Meadows in Washington.
I just can't place it without access to my files..

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