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08-01-2020, 02:49 PM
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Is this normal. Edelbrock Performer
Last fall I decided that my mpg was terrible it dynoed at 217 hp so I decided to pep up the 400.
So I pulled the motor and disassembled it and started over. A couple weeks ago I was looking for something and I had to move the eddy performer intake that used to be on it. I set it down I saw something I had never seen (old Chevy guy) some of the runners were charred. Some the whole circumference and some halfway.   Is this normal for 2000 miles on a new engine? Thanks Greg |
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#2
08-01-2020, 03:01 PM
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 The pistons and combustion chambers were charbroiled Greg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#3
08-01-2020, 06:45 PM
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No, not normal.
You are either way to lean or your timing was way to advanced. Did they hook up an AFR when you ran your dyno pulls last year?
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#4
08-01-2020, 07:36 PM
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What heads? Looks like gaskets were not aligned, or wrong port size. I just went through this, had too small gaskets for RA4 heads. Mine made a noise back through carb. Yes it had that black too. Now it wants more fuel though !
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#5
08-01-2020, 09:02 PM
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That's reversion from a cam too far advanced and an overly rich mixture. The exhaust gases get sucked back up into the intake tract. In extreme cases it can go all the way up to the plenum and even form a cloud above the carburetor. Oversized headers on a motor operating at low to mid-range rpm can also contribute to reversion as the exhaust gas velocity is too slow for efficient scavenging.
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#6
08-01-2020, 10:39 PM
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Fascinating.
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#7
08-02-2020, 05:35 AM
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Look at how black the Exh crossover is also !
That motor was running very rich, and or or the compression / cylinder pressure was too low at low pistions speeds i.e. Low rpm to pump out the Exh gases.
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#8
08-02-2020, 11:48 AM
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IS this an EGR intake?
Is their a noticeable difference/consistency in runners fed by one side of the carb to the other side? |
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#9
08-04-2020, 07:42 PM
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#10
08-04-2020, 08:48 PM
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Exhaust Reflection crosses the Valve Overlap (thatsa Reversion), and carbon tracks the Intake Runner. Fuel probably spitt up out the carb too.
Exhaust "system" needs work with the Collectors to lengthen the reflection point; preferably where the Stock Mufflers are. Or re-jigger the combo to run less Overlap, less cam advance. |
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#11
08-05-2020, 08:43 PM
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Poor intake valve seal would also allow exhaust gas back in the runners. Compression test would help tell the tale.
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#12
08-06-2020, 09:38 AM
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My RAIV heads would do that until I switch to smaller better scavenging header tubes and based on E/I flow numbers a "reverse split" cam.
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#13
08-06-2020, 10:27 AM
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Exactly Skip, but your case was low Exh velocity due to unneeded tube size, his issue I firmly believe is lack of cylinder pressure which could be due to a few reasons!
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#14
08-06-2020, 04:02 PM
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And an 85%+ E/I where the exhaust port flowed 90% backwards on the flow bench!
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#15
08-07-2020, 07:43 AM
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Yup that reversion factor a big issue with the iron Round port heads in that they unnecessarily flare out as they approch the flange which is not good nor needed and then some uninformed home porters then make it worse by gasket matching the port exits to there Headers!
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