[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Jay S

You over estimate SM management. The reason why they had to change their name from Procomp electronics to Speedmaster was because the got sued by MSD for pretty much doing this exact same thing. Would you call this a knock off or copy?

Remember when Car Craft exposed all the Chinese counterfeit MSD products being sold to lowest bidder buyers.... I wonder what the difference is now that MSD's product comes from China... Things that make you go hmmm.

[Jay S]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Remember when Car Craft exposed all the Chinese counterfeit MSD products being sold to lowest bidder buyers.... I wonder what the difference is now that MSD's product comes from China... Things that make you go hmmm.

Yep, Then we just sit back and watch the product they had go to crap. MSD just has never been the same since they got bought out and MFG went to China.

Technology gets sent over to China just too get it built cheaper and make the company more money, which happens almost every time these companies get bought out by an investment group. Then about everytime time it happens the tech gets copied over there. After that if the investment group has too deal with copies it is pretty much their own fault. The investment group did that too themselves. Personally, I have far more issues with the bottom feeder reverse engineering that happens that describes what speedmaster has done on about all it’s products.

The only reverse engineered copy of a Pontiac head is a SM E head copy. All the other companies that make and design cylinder heads seem too at least refine the design. I know there are some differences between KRE and Eddy D ports, they aren’t reverse engineer copies of each other anymore than a Firebird is a reverse engineered copy of a Camaro, or vise versa. I don’t know much about those Victor and Tiger examples, but I garentee Edelbrock didn’t just reverse engineer them from another head like SM does. It appears SM even copied someone else’s CNC work on the CNC offering. Then didn’t even bother to flow test it. Looks good.. ship it! Lol

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

Only way it can be stopped is tariff the Sheite out of the Chinese and if they want to outsource through another country, penalize them. The people in now are shills for the CCP.

Yeah I'm sure the "powers that be" will get all over it.

[mysticmissle]

So the people
Not buying speedmasters will
Be buying aftermarket copies of tiger heads and IA blocks instead? Or edelbrock copies of
Kre d ports? There is copying everywhere as mentioned above . Companies that add some
Innovation to their product line hide some of the copied items
Just becomes it's made in America doesn't mean it is unique.
Look at the 7 different branded hydraulic roller lifters
Consumers will take their money where they want and manufacturers that exploit small
Markets with higher than usual profit margins will be targets of copied parts.
Ultimately that will Dictate what gets copied and sold
Just my
Opinion.
innovation will get
New customers that have to have the latest and best. Copying will
Keep
Prices low for
Average consumer

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

So the people
Not buying speedmasters will
Be buying aftermarket copies of tiger heads and IA blocks instead? Or edelbrock copies of
Kre d ports? There is copying everywhere as mentioned above . Companies that add some
Innovation to their product line hide some of the copied items
Just becomes it's made in America doesn't mean it is unique.
Look at the 7 different branded hydraulic roller lifters
Consumers will take their money where they want and manufacturers that exploit small
Markets with higher than usual profit margins will be targets of copied parts.
Ultimately that will Dictate what gets copied and sold
Just my
Opinion.
innovation will get
New customers that have to have the latest and best. Copying will
Keep
Prices low for
Average consumer

It's quit obvious a lot of copying is going on in the HR industry. They ALL have the same problems!

[J.C.you]

Summit has people hired for the exact thing this discussion is about. It’s obvious someone had to look at the knock off and compared it to the US made one. I don’t buy it slipped through the cracks.
…or..Perhaps someone wasn’t doing their job makes reasonable sense.
Another thing that is entirely possible is the CCP may have a interest in the company. That’s how things work now in big business.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

These things skipped over way too many cracks.
I still can't relate to the idea that Speed requested them produced with the name on them,
but not with the exact artwork design.

As in , let's make a counterfeit that can be detected pretty easy,
but use a small player as the target victim.

None of this seems innocent anywhere anymore.
Too weird for me

[J.C.you]

Summit is still a privately owned company after doing a search. I see Scott Peterson was named President and COO.
Wasn’t there a Pontiac guy named Scott that worked for summit and on the Py forum?

Unrelated, Jegs controlling interest was bought by Greenbriar Equity.

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

Summit is still a privately owned company after doing a search. I see Scott Peterson was named President and COO.
Wasn’t there a Pontiac guy named Scott that worked for summit and on the Py forum?

Unrelated, Jegs controlling interest was bought by Greenbriar Equity.

Scott on here goes by SCOTT ESTERLE.

[Dragncar]

Look fellas, its not just SM but all manufacturing in China. It is literally part of their business culture in that country that as long as its business it is perfectly fine to steal someone else,s idea or product.
Manufacturing did not move over there on its own. It was a plan to weaken us as a county and it has done just that.
They want what we have and are playing the long game vs just going to war.

[tom s]

All these company usually require their vendors to carry product liability insurance and be named on the policy.The company I was with required 1 mil for low liability items like cotton balls and 2 mil for higher liability items like something you would sit in.It was per event.Just business.Tom

[tom s]

I would guess Summits lawyers are in control of what is being done there now with SM products.Been through stuff like this and they deal with the insurance companies.Tom

[mysticmissle]

I just watched an NHRA video on you tube about Bob Tasca being sanctioned at the the virginia nats for some manifold discrepancies.
At the bottom of the screen was sponsered by SpeedMaster products. They arent going to go anywhere into oblivion. They probably will just sell direct like they allready do. FWIW

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

I just watched an NHRA video on you tube about Bob Tasca being sanctioned at the the virginia nats for some manifold discrepancies.
At the bottom of the screen was sponsered by SpeedMaster products. They arent going to go anywhere into oblivion. They probably will just sell direct like they allready do. FWIW

"They" could probably get rid of them if it was a USA based company, just like they did Barry Grant. Since they're not USA based, retaliation is limited.....and they sell cheap crap and everyone likes a bargain.

[Jay S]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

I just watched an NHRA video on you tube about Bob Tasca being sanctioned at the the virginia nats for some manifold discrepancies.
At the bottom of the screen was sponsered by SpeedMaster products. They arent going to go anywhere into oblivion. They probably will just sell direct like they allready do. FWIW

“They aren’t going anywhere”…Seems kind of early to say what is going to happen with anything SM. That SM advertisement is on a lot of NHRA broadcasts, they were probably paid for last winter. With all the bad SM press, I wonder what the NHRA thinks about having it on their screen.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by Jay S

“They aren’t going anywhere”…Seems kind of early to say what is going to happen with anything SM. That SM advertisement is on a lot of NHRA broadcasts, they were probably paid for last winter. With all the bad SM press, I wonder what the NHRA thinks about having it on their screen.

I believe NHRA is just happy to cash the checks and hopes they don't bounce. NHRA is desperate for sponsorship and fans. Once Tobacco was forced out of motorsports that left a giant hole they are still trying to fill.

[BILL BOWMAN1]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

I just watched an NHRA video on you tube about Bob Tasca being sanctioned at the the virginia nats for some manifold discrepancies.
At the bottom of the screen was sponsered by SpeedMaster products. They arent going to go anywhere into oblivion. They probably will just sell direct like they allready do. FWIW

Because the intake was glass beaded!!??