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That motor makes me think damn you got some dollars in that setup!
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'71 Holden HQ Monaro - 3850lbs race weight, 400c/i - 11.4 @ 120 '66 Pontiac GTO - 389, 4 speed street cruiser |
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Very nice 455TURBO -That T/A must haul .
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QuickSilver,
I am working with an EMIC out of MI that had very competitive prices and who has worked with folks long distance. He is as close as any of the EMICs to me. Summit Racing is supposed to be working on becoming an EMIC, but this guy is as competitive as Summit in his prices for the many components that you will need (Summit can sell the components but not the ECM). He's been excellent to work with thus far, but I haven't really put him to the test yet. Also, I got the dual sync distributor, but you could use a modified conventional distributor and a crank sensor from MSD. Steve, The FAST system was my second choice, but I think the Gen 7 is one itteration ahead of them at the moment. I'm sure their next product will be ahead of Accel. Also, if you're only interested in batch injection, you can save a lot of money going with the FAST system. Once I decided on an in-tank fuel pump and SFI, the Gen 7 was a better deal and offered more features. 455Turbo: I believe you've got the best applicatoin for EFI - an engine with a power adder. I'm leaving myself enough excess capacity to go with a turbo someday. First, I need to get this thing on the road and EFI is already well outside of the original plan John
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1967 Firebird Convertible Factory 400/4spd Now 462/5spd Fuel Injected http://1967firebird.atwebpages.com/ |
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The NEW Edelbrock set up is really nice and way cheaper than having a shop do the labor to your non EFI intake.
Here is a link to a plenum for the Edelbrock intake. Mine cost around $200, but now its around $250 I believe. www.reichardracing.com/throttle_body_flange.php Here is the cheapest Accufab 90mm TB I could find online, $229. www.bbandtracing.com/ACCUFAB.html
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69 GTO Convertible, 4000lbs 462ci, 606tq/569hp - 93 oct at 34 deg (207psi) 11.7:1, KRE H Ports, Lunati HR 282/290 w Johnson Lifters & 1.65 Scorp, E30, EFI, Holley HP + Dual Sync, 12-1 Crank Trig, 120lb Inj & 1000cfm TB, Torker II EFI Int & Rails, PTC 10" 0 Stat, Ricks SS Gas Tank, Magna 4303, Aerom EFI Reg, Aero Front & Wilwood Rear Disc Brakes, Dougs 1 7/8" Headers & Borla Pro XS 3" Muffs, Alum Rad & Dual Fans, 12:1 Box, UMI Control Arms & Viking Berz Fr + Rear CO Shocks, Hella UP28 Vac Pump |
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I would've posted pictures by now but time and issues have conspired against me.
1. Standard Bosch injectors won't work with the T2 version of the Victor EFI manifold. Took the Edelbrock Tech a while to get the answer for me, but it was designed for use with compact disc type injectors like those sold by Edelbrock. My EMIC is very understanding and should have the right ones coming to me soon. 2. The fuel rails are canted sharply in toward the TB causing clearance issues. Had I gone with a short TB, I could've used a spacer to get it up off the fuel rails. A thick gasket solved the linkage clearance issues but I'll need to modify the TPS to get the proper clearance on that side. 3. The SS lines I had prebent in larger than stock diameters were not going to go under the car without numerous splices. After some serious debate, the company that supplied them is using my originals to make a new set. 4. I've got over $150 invested in AN fittings with more to be bought - another cost consideration for anyone thinking of going EFI. I'm on my way to China this weekend and will post pics once I return in early Nov. I'll have lots of time to study the Gen 7 manual while I'm gone John
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1967 Firebird Convertible Factory 400/4spd Now 462/5spd Fuel Injected http://1967firebird.atwebpages.com/ |
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If you guys need adapters machined from aluminum stock, I can have it done right here where I live. The guy who owns the shop is a neighbor and has been very helpful with my projects and is a "gearhead" too; he likes doing anything performance oriented.
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Home of WFO Hyperformance Shaker induction. |
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Hey Skip Fix... Small world.. not to many cornfields in Frisco anymore. I've been in Dallas for 11 years and I can remember coming out here to eat at the Mexican restaurant and that was all there was.... My wife tells me there used to be a "cat" house across the street from the restaurant... ever been there??
I'm moving to Prosper next year.. building a new house with a big garage... now Prosper, there's some still a lot of cornfields out there!
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1965 GTO Hardtop - Fontaine Blue, Blue interior, 389 Tri-Power, 4 speed, 3.36 posi, Rally I's |
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I grew up at Hillcrest and 635(LBJ) and remember when they built LBJ. We used to cruise Forest Lane to line up races then go out to Arapho to run them. Back when there was a KMart at Forest and Marsh and they had to close on weekend with the blue laws Saturday night had live bands and burn out contests in the parking lot! Back then had my dual quad 409 Impala that ran low 12s, pretty fast for the time.
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Skip Fix 1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever! 1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand 1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project 2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune 13.43@103.4 1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project 1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs |
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I finally got my injectors yesterday after a lot of back and forth with my EMIC. Here's a shot of the whole sha-bang (minus a boat load of AN fittings and other small parts) for converting over to EFI:
Here's a picture of the injectors that took so long to get: Can you believe this little guy flows 44 lb/hr! I really only need 39-40 but the next size down was 36. These are the only style of injector that will work with the Victor EFI. I wish Edelbrock would've made note of that when I spoke to their tech rep. Hopefully I can get this on the engine and dyno tuned by mid Jan. John
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1967 Firebird Convertible Factory 400/4spd Now 462/5spd Fuel Injected http://1967firebird.atwebpages.com/ |
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Man it all looks slick!
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Skip Fix 1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever! 1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand 1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project 2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune 13.43@103.4 1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project 1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs |
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even though the expense it would really be worth it on a daily driver, or a frequently used street car
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I wonder why they made it so you have to use those tiny injectors. You'd think they would have designed the system around something more common (and cheaper.)
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Hammered! Lookin' incredible! It's not even on the car...
Curious though, what's the Edelbrock solution for the throttle cable bracket? The injector on #7 is planted on the exact spot of the ole' bolt boss.
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______________________________ 1968 Firebird Coupe - 3665 lbs. 350 HO Long Branch Manifolds TH350 3.23 open BP axle PS, PDB and Deluxe interior GPE Starter ... Small body HEI ... 2.5" Pypes w/X-pipe ... Ruggles Qjet 14.1 @ 99.1 |
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Thanks all.
Stuart: Edelbrock uses the pico injectors on all of their systems, but I agree with you. They also use non-OEM style sensors on their systems so you're stuck going back to Edelbrock for everything. The Super Victor intakes can accomodate the more traditional style injectors. TD: I'm going to run mechanical linkage with a Tremec so I don't have any cables to deal with. I suspect you could use one of the aftermarket brackets that go under the carbureator base. If I had this to do again, I'd probably go with a Super Victor intake and Holley TB. There have been nothing but interference issues because of the way Edelbrock positioned the injectors. They didn't even leave enough room between the #8 injector and A/C bolt boss to plug the harness on?!
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1967 Firebird Convertible Factory 400/4spd Now 462/5spd Fuel Injected http://1967firebird.atwebpages.com/ |
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Hammered just curious,whats the total on the whole package??I would say it would be worth it if you were going the turbo route....
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There's over $5.5k worth of stuff in the picture. I was going to have to buy an intake, distributor, carb, fuel tank, fuel pump etc... so the difference was more like $4k for me.
You can drop some cost fast by eliminating the following: Wideband 02 sensor -$900 Rockvalley Fuel Tank -$850 Fan Harness -$100 Holley TB Vs. Kinsler -$250 Batch fire & use existing dist. -$400 Maybe I'll go to a turbo some day to make it more worthwhile, but for now I'm doing it because it's what I want to do. John
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1967 Firebird Convertible Factory 400/4spd Now 462/5spd Fuel Injected http://1967firebird.atwebpages.com/ |
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GIT-R-DONE!
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