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Hey by the way, dont take my cracks in the other thread towards you and Calvin, i think the both of you seem like decent people who care about what they do. That crap is for the underappreciated engineer. |
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There are only 3 rules for the heads up class, 6.75lbs/cid, must be a Pontiac and be NA. If weight isnt the issue then which rule does it not fit? Not a pontiac or its not NA?
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Edsel,I don't believe that was a specific model Pontiac made.
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My reputation will speak for itself. Who do you think had the first heads up match race at a Pontiac event? Anyone remember good ole Paul Rash. Those were the sh*t talking PY days. LOL. Who do you think started the first Quick 8 at that time? I have NEVER backed down from a fair race, never not paid what I said I would and I have never went back on my word. |
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535 cu.in. Do the math. I put on some weight............ but not that much. LOL. |
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This seems like a pretty tight group so I don't suppose anything will change in this class. But there are better ways to do this. The true 10.5 class is very popular. It allows any engine combination. Factory dash , factory dash location and stock type suspension. No wheelie bars. No tire tread over 10.5 wide.No tubs. Seems to keep the true race cars out. Got room for another class Tom S? Or tweak that weight rule. |
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I tried twice, then Brian, to get a chassis car heads up power adder deal going at Pontiac events. Too much whining and car count never took off. Just a bunch of excuses. So it disappeared. |
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Glen and Calvin are doing races with weight breaks and weight penalties for diff stuff.As long as I can afford to do it and Good Lord willing I will continue it.This will be the 4th year,way longer than most thought it would go.I believe we will have at least 12 cars this year.I think some of the NHRA SS cars fit in the class.Lynn brought one of their cars year before last and snaked some money away I believe.Tom
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I think it's a great class, and the rules protect the cars very well and make for great racing.
Is there room for a 6.00 / 5.75 class, sure. More and more 505/535 motors are being built and many of them are going in 3000 lb cars. My hat is off to Tom, he actually put his wallet where his mouth is. |
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X 2 Yes leave the class alone. It's there, build to it if ya wanna race N/A heads up at Norwalk, etc. Starting to sound like YB. LOL. Then ya have to try and fit in another class and speak to Pete. It's his money, his event his show. |
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Talk to Tom bet he'd let Bill run if it meant finally getting a cv1 into the class.
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Don't hide behind a rule put in to protect YOU. We have to add weight so you can compete.
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How does that make any sense? If you can't compete at 6.75lbs with him then you wont be able to compete with him if he takes weight out either.
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I suspect there are a bunch of cars at 3200-3500 lbs race weight. 474- 518 ci fits Toms rules in that weight range. Not many would take a stockblock at that ci to compete heads up at 6.75 lbs. Not many will take a IA2/MR1 down to 474ci. That leaves the 505 as a possibility as its fairly common... the next common IA2/MR1 is the 535. So now your looking at 3408-3611 (not uncommon for bracket racer weight). How many HEADS UP RACE cars WANT to be that heavy or add weight? The guy that takes his IA2/MR1 down to 474-482 ci 3200-3253 lbs has the best chance in Toms class, as the smaller motor WILL allow more HP per ci. And the guy who builds an even smaller CI combo and lighter weight will have the edge over them. Think a 4.28 bore and 4" stroke with the heads to support it wont make more HP per ci than a 535? Why do you think RAM has different weight to ci breaks? As far as meeting Toms NA class rules... I got an old 53 Studebaker in the backyard... I could build a cv1 combo at a weight that fits the rules... probably be competitive... But being a Stude it dont fit Toms rules. Bill's "Edsel" will be quite competitive and will showcase what the NA CV1 has going for it. Looks like it should be at a weight that isnt uncommon, it just doesnt fit all of Toms rules. Seein so many griped about his Tempest being too light and it wasnt likely to be done and sorted by Norwalk he has put the Tempest on hold and taken another approach... It will still showcase Cv1 Pontiac power and simply put in a car that others could build. I'll emphasize this car is NOT what Bill was looking for... but for the money and time available and lack of suitable available cars in his budget range its going to have to do for now... The car body has no advantage over a Pontiac...I expect controversy none the less...nothing new to the CV camp. He plans to be there. In case your curious... current project is an 84 GP intended for true dual purpose and will have twin turbo's... Wont be done this year. Possibly beyond that. Debs currently out of work and family/home take priority ... When done though, it should be quite fast... but I'm upping the difficulty factor... I plan to DRIVE it to Norwalk AND make a few passes and DRIVE it home... thats about a 1200+ mile round trip... My 84GP has been a great car to drive anywhere and thats what I intend to keep as much as possible. The anemic sbc in it has to go. So... 400-428 ci stockblock (strong 59 block) and the turbos should allow the driveability/mpg for drivin and meet the power at safe rpms and go 9.0 or better at the track. Besides $, biggest obstacle is a rearend that can take the power without running a spool. Dana 60 and 35 spline locker might be enough... dont want to have to do a change at the track beyond tires and boost settings. For now the Stude will be in "Rust Rod" status... but It sure could make a unique Pontiac powered dedicated race car. Low light and good aero. It wont fit one of Toms rules and I dont care. |
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what is the big deal to add 200 to 300 lbs? we took my buddies 68 camaro and went to georgia and ran the X275 race and then had to add 300 pounds to run the leaf spring race.. All we did was bolt the weight in and re adjust the anti-roll bar and caltrac bars.. not that hard to do!!!! we ran 2 classes all weekend!!! just make the weight bars up and bolt it in.. ITS NOT THAT HARD!!! everyone has to race the same rules!! Do you think I like carrying weight???? I can take ove 200 lbs out of my car just in weight bars and run alot faster. I have only tried one pass and the track was junk and I spun... so can i say my car would go 8.49 to 8.53 with the weight out? because it would of it it hooked up!!
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#79
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Bruce I love your idea.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...r+to+Bradenton Great read for those of you that missed it before. And the Readers Digest version. http://www.dragzine.com/features/int...an-8-sec-stang |
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Its not a matter of competing with the weight. The numbers are just wrong. Few other heads up races races require cars this heavy. It would make more sense to set a reasonable minimum weight, then let smaller motors take out a reasonable amount per cu. in. Cars running in the 8's weighing 3600 lbs is just silly. Figure out a way to let more combinations run. You wouldn't like 8 lbs / cu. in. Others might love it. Just because you like 6.75 for your combo doesn't make it the right number.
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