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Stan Weiss · 03-26-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Jack, do you have that Visner headed monster pulling 1300 NA yet? Making progress? It should be a rocket.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

its a nitrous motor, its not going to make 1,300.

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Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Stop making sense Jeff, this is the Internet.

In my original simulation's late last year I used 1315 N/A HP.

Based on "reading tea leafs"

I will go with 1075 - 1100 HP N/A.

Stan

johnta1 · 03-26-2014, 12:16 PM

Stan, this is the internet.

If he doesn't make 2000 HP with his engine, he ain't worth doo-doo.

Stan Weiss · 03-26-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

Stan, this is the internet.

If he doesn't make 2000 HP with his engine, he ain't worth doo-doo.

John,
I understand this is the internet. But lets keep it real, if the engine was built using a 5.3" bore spacing block and everything was NHRA Pro Stock state of the art technology it would not make that kind of HP.

Stan

goatracer · 03-26-2014, 12:42 PM

I think Jack will surely see an increase in NA hp over his old Ehead comb. He should definitely make over 1000hp NA!

But on the other hand, Stan...How much HP is your new motor gonna make this year?

LOL,
Bryan

Region Warrior · 03-26-2014, 12:52 PM

Since it's been claimed theres so many NA E-heads make'n a 1000, then his should be close to 1300.
Just say'n....

67GTO4SPEED · 03-26-2014, 12:54 PM

Oh boy! This oughta be fun!

LiL Jack · 03-26-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

Stan, this is the internet.

If he doesn't make 2000 HP with his engine, he ain't worth doo-doo.

What's even funnier is an all out Warp 6 N/A motor doesn't show 1100 HP on the track

My E head 541 made 965 HP @7700 rpm. So I guess we will find out how much a Visner head with two fours 541 nitrous motor will make in a couple weeks. You would think a good 100-150 better, maybe.

S/st 54 · 03-26-2014, 01:04 PM

A Friend of mines "nitrous motor" is a 632 w CFE Big Chiefs made 1275hp N/A.....I'm thinkin with Visner&Gabby's talents Lil Jack shouldn't be to far off of that.........so my guess is 1100HP......maybe?

mike leech · 01:14 PM

LOL! great post john. There are so many 2000 hp na pontiac engines out there...

I don't know the size (cid) cam, intended rpm range, Amount on N2o usage it is being developed for, cross section of the heads, compression ratio, etc etc. so there is no way this could be estimated unless we just go with a WAG.

that said I'll play along....1150

missed the 541....staying at 1150

johnta1 · 03-26-2014, 01:12 PM

I never said Naturally Aspirated.

The ecm gurus were saying his car can't make any N/A power basically because his is a NOS combo.

So, if he can't make 2000 HP with his NOS setup it ain't worth the $$$$$$$$$$$ spent.

Heck anyone can make 1000 HP as they say, N/A.
I would think Jack made more than 1300 HP with NOS with the old heads.
(heck a lot are making more than that with normal Pontiac heads N/A)

These high falootin BBC heads should make considerably more.

mike leech · 03-26-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

Heck anyone can make 1000 HP as they say, N/A.
I would think Jack made more than 1300 HP with NOS with the old heads.
(heck a lot are making more than that with normal Pontiac heads N/A)

LOL! who? are you smoking crack?

Stan Weiss · 03-26-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by goatracer

I think Jack will surely see an increase in NA hp over his old Ehead comb. He should definitely make over 1000hp NA!

But on the other hand, Stan...How much HP is your new motor gonna make this year?

LOL,
Bryan

Bryan,
Please explain to me, what the relationship is between how N/A HP Lil Jack's engine will make and how much N/A HP I can make.

Stan

Stan Weiss · 03-26-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

I never said Naturally Aspirated.

The ecm gurus were saying his car can't make any N/A power basically because his is a NOS combo.

So, if he can't make 2000 HP with his NOS setup it ain't worth the $$$$$$$$$$$ spent.

Heck anyone can make 1000 HP as they say, N/A.
I would think Jack made more than 1300 HP with NOS with the old heads.
(heck a lot are making more than that with normal Pontiac heads N/A)

These high falootin BBC heads should make considerably more.

John,
Even if Lil Jack's engine made 1300 N/A HP, that would mean he would have to spray 700 nitrous HP. I just do not see that happening.

Stan

mike leech · 03-26-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Bryan,
Please explain to me, what the relationship is between how N/A HP Lil Jack's engine will make and how much N/A HP I can't make.

Stan

fixed

J/K

Stan Weiss · 03-26-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mike leech

fixed

J/K

Mike,
Let get something straight. Lil Jack did not build that engine without a lot of help. You did not build your engine without a lot of help. So, yes the people who ported your heads and manifold and picked your cam and all of those other thing can build more HP than me.

Stan

Region Warrior · 02:03 PM

Since it's 2-4's and spray'n at least 400-600, my guess he's try'n to get a conservative 1200 NA.
But then again it's LJ...could be whole lot more...i mean if your gon'a spend the $, may as well set the bar LOL.

Mike Davis · 03-26-2014, 02:34 PM

1125 NA---------
on the spray--gonna hurt some ego's

can't wait for the ass whippin's to commence!

Jeff Kinsler · 03-26-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Region Warrior

Since it's 2-4's and spray'n at least 400-600, my guess he's try'n to get a conservative 1200 NA.
But then again it's LJ...could be whole lot more...i mean if your gon'a spend the $, may as well set the bar LOL.

I am going to say 1120 hp with a 541. thats pretty damn stout for a nitrous huffing engine!!

johnta1 · 03-26-2014, 02:42 PM

Stan, I would think if I was spending that much money on a setup like he is, that it would make a lot more than he was making.

Here is one BBC that Larry Meaux did (heads only probably):

BBC 534 CID

For those that may nor be able to view it:

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C & S Perf - BBC534cid
Peak TQ = 740.4 at 6600 RPM
Peak HP = 1063 HP at 7900 RPM

Note: this engine could have made much more TQ and HP with 15+ CR
....but its going to have trick NOS system down DragStrip ...just keeping it safe for testing purposes

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made 1667.2 Peak HP and 1162.1 Peak TQ on my Dyno with mild NOS tunep on trick NOS system
1667.2 minus about 600 NOS setup = 1067.2 Engine HP ... so jives pretty good !

Single 4 bbl, mild NOS tuneup.
I think Jack is already above mild tuneup, probably going to 2-4 BBL.
Who knows probably mega CID.

Leech usual scoff:

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LOL! who?

I would look at Snyder runs just recently for one?

You do the legwork.

R 70 Judge · 03-26-2014, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1

I never said Naturally Aspirated.

The ecm gurus were saying his car can't make any N/A power basically because his is a NOS combo.

So, if he can't make 2000 HP with his NOS setup it ain't worth the $$$$$$$$$$$ spent.

Heck anyone can make 1000 HP as they say, N/A.
I would think Jack made more than 1300 HP with NOS with the old heads.
(heck a lot are making more than that with normal Pontiac heads N/A)

These high falootin BBC heads should make considerably more.

I don't think any Pontiac motor EVER has made 2000hp with nitrous.... Or even come anywhere near it. If he can show 1500hp - 1600hp on the track he definitely has his chit together. (and would probably be the highest hp nitrous Pontiac ever) 2000hp is just a ridiculous expectation.

Btw it's his money to spend however he wishes. Cool chit costs money.

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