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Part of my decision to get it from Ames is that they don't charge sales tax for Texas residents. I hope that is still true. I haven't purchased anything from Ames since last fall.

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Given that the F and X bodies have totally-different steering stops than the A-bodies, I don't know how one part number can fit both styles.

If I were in the market, I'd be contacting Borgeson to find out which steering stops they're actually using--and therefore the number of degrees of Pitman arm travel the box allows.

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Old 06-06-2023, 02:55 PM
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going to replace my leaking steering box. I see Ames carries a quick ratio box at 2.6 turns and the regular one is 4 turns. anyone tried this quick ratio box and have an opinion ? summit sells one for almost 500. the Ames one is 269 and the regular one is 99.

There are rebuilders that can turn your box into whatever ratio you want, remove or add steering stops etc.

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Part of my decision to get it from Ames is that they don't charge sales tax for Texas residents. I hope that is still true. I haven't purchased anything from Ames since last fall.
It’s my understanding online retailers have to charge sales tax if their yearly sales to a particular state are at least 100k - not sure if that’s still true.

A good option is Summit Racing as they have free shipping on orders above $99, match prices and here is a 10% coupon code for Summit good through 6/17/23
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...what Schurkey said...

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Yep, X3 on Schurkey.
When we ordered our Box from Lee, my son did it online. He didn't know if it was for the A-body or a 'Bird. I called them and asked about it and initially the guy I spoke with didn't grasp the issue. I would't let it go until he understood that it needed to be written on the order. We already had a "quick ratio" F-body steering gear in the Tempest. It was not fun at times. Driving around was way better, but we couldn't even get into our city driveway in one try.

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Anybody here familiar with the "Ground Up" steering box offered on SS396.com ?
$370.99 and free shipping. Comes with rag joint and new mounting hardware.

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Yep, X3 on Schurkey.
When we ordered our Box from Lee, my son did it online. He didn't know if it was for the A-body or a 'Bird. I called them and asked about it and initially the guy I spoke with didn't grasp the issue. I would't let it go until he understood that it needed to be written on the order. We already had a "quick ratio" F-body steering gear in the Tempest. It was not fun at times. Driving around was way better, but we couldn't even get into our city driveway in one try.
Yep that's something that has to be paid attention to and some companies selling boxes don't seem to grasp that and don't differentiate in there ads.

I have several spare boxes that are close ratio. The one I wanted to try in my a-body was an f-body quick box.
Like you said driving was nice but turning radius was reduced significantly to a point it became a pain to maneuver parking lots and tight areas when parking. It quickly came back off.

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A good option is Summit Racing as they have free shipping on orders above $99, match prices and here is a 10% coupon code for Summit good through 6/17/23
Just tried the coupon and it says it's invalid. Well it was worth a try. Thanks!

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Well that stinks - maybe certain brands are excluded

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Well that stinks - maybe certain brands are excluded
My bad Will. It worked this time. Thanks (I think) spent more than I should have, again.

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I just swapped my a-body box last winter… I used a box from Carhex (FB Marketplace seller)… it’s not a 2.5 turn deal, but reduced by 1 turn. They called it a QR box,but not the go cart feel… Firmed up mine real nice… So much easier parking car now also…. He was very good to deal with...Very fast shipping,& crediting core charge… I felt like responsibly priced…. I bought his new rag joint also,but found our Sponsor has them a lil cheaper…

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My bad Will. It worked this time. Thanks (I think) spent more than I should have, again.
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Given that the F and X bodies have totally-different steering stops than the A-bodies, I don't know how one part number can fit both styles.

If I were in the market, I'd be contacting Borgeson to find out which steering stops they're actually using--and therefore the number of degrees of Pitman arm travel the box allows.
Shurkey:
Can you advise the number of Pitman arm degrees a 1968 A-body (GTO) should have? That would be extremely helpful when talking to Borgeson about the steering stops.
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Can you advise the number of Pitman arm degrees a 1968 A-body (GTO) should have? That would be extremely helpful when talking to Borgeson about the steering stops.
Thank you much!
If you are going to call Borgeson about these boxes, would you ask them if they'll give you the specs on the torsion bar they put in these boxes please? As in the thickness of it (like .210 or .220) or the valve weight it takes to rotate (like 30-35#s). Thanks, Jeff

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Given that the F and X bodies have totally-different steering stops than the A-bodies, I don't know how one part number can fit both styles.

If I were in the market, I'd be contacting Borgeson to find out which steering stops they're actually using--and therefore the number of degrees of Pitman arm travel the box allows.
I just saw a question/answer on Summit about this. Here is Borgesons reply:

Borgeson Universal 800130 - Borgeson Universal Street and Performance Series Steering Boxes
There are two different steering radius applications: One for a Camaro and one for a Chevelle. The Camaro box has internal stops to limit the turning radius. How do I know which box I am getting? I already received a box for my Chevelle with the Camaro internal stops and it sucks. The specs on this box say that it's for a Camaro OR a Chevelle.

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Our box has a full 88 degrees of rotation to allow it to fit multiple applications. Our box relies on the steering stops on the vehicles lower control arms. You will not have nay loss of turning radius with our steering box.

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LOL. I should have kept reading the q&a's. Here's Borgesons answer about valve weight/torsion bar:

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Borgeson Universal 800130 - Borgeson 800 Series Power Steering Boxes
what is the valve weight on this steering box? I've heard of 35lb valve and a lower valve weight. This is important and if it cant be answered I will be ordering from somewhere who can tell me.

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Our box has a completely different valve than the Saginaw/Delphi 800 series boxes or Delphi 600 series boxes and the valve weight you are requesting dose not directly compare. Feel is similar to a Saginaw/Delphi 35lb.

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What a mess! I'll stay with my OEM box. It has full turning radius. Yes it's a little touchy on the highway compared to newer cars, but I've spent decades driving older cars with this system and really no complaints. All makes were steered like this to a greater or less degree. My larger sway bars front and rear help it handle really well here in the southern Appalachians. I can find more important things to spend $400-500 on that will really help my GTO more. I like David's response in post #23. If my OEM box needs a rebuild best to spend my time finding a quality rebuilder. Ultimately I really don't need super quick steering like my wife's late model SUV/Crossover whichever. It's still a damn station wagon to these old eyes, nomenclature aside. FWIW

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I used the Borgeson. Its great!

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