[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Have a 65 GTO Pontiac Plant built car (July 65)

Billing History shows something i can't find on the PHS supplied order sheet.
Its a WS 4spd 3.90 car

703
(1) = safe-t-track rear axle
(2) ?
(4) = economy axle
(8) = performance axle

is 702 the 455SuperDuty or RamAir5 option ?
Factory Drag Pack ?
2x4 's ?
Aluminum bumpers ?
8 lugs ?
Fuzzy Dice ?
Bobble Head doll ?
Tissue dispenser ?

but seriously ..... anybody have a decipher for 702 ?

[Option 382]

702 is also known as G94 = Standard Axle

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks 382 .
Appreciate the info.


crapped out on that one
fuzzy dice theory shot to heck

[GT182]

And Standard Axle is? Posi or not, or something else?

[Chris65LeMans]

Originally Posted by GT182

And Standard Axle is? Posi or not, or something else?

I would guess it's not Posi, since 70(1) notes the Safe-T-track. (I just got my PHS stuff yesterday.)

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by GT182

And Standard Axle is? Posi or not, or something else?

Standard axle is the base ratio for the specific option content, open diff (unless posi is included with a specific marketing package).

K

[geeteeohguy]

Very strange for someone to order a 3.90 performance gear and forego the posi for what, $4.00 or so more? Can't imagine trying to hook up with a peg leg 3.90 four speed trips car. On a 7.75-14 bias belted tire. Talk about short tread life!!

[Option 382]

Originally Posted by GT182

And Standard Axle is? Posi or not, or something else?

A standard axle on a GTO would be non safe-T-track with no special brakes and standard gears, 3:55 for non A/C and 3:23 for A/C cars. But you could add options on to your axle such as the original owner of Baron Von Zeppelin did by adding 3:90 gears and the metallic brakes. So for Zeppelin's car it just means no posi and he should have an axle code of XK.

X = standard axle with metallic brakes
K = 3.90 gears

[wmurrell]

Originally Posted by Option 382

702 is also known as G94 = Standard Axle

I noticed on the ’65 Broadcast Sheet, the 702 is identified as “SPEC. ORD. AXLE”. Are you sure that it represents "standard axle" versus "special order axle"?


I have documented approximately 70 ’65 GTO convertibles and reviewed the billing history cards this morning. The standard axle for cars with A/C was 3.23 and non-A/C was 3.55. All the cars with “standard axles” and posi were coded 701. All the cars with “standard axles” and open rear were blank in box 70. Any car with a “special order axle” and posi was coded 703. This included one car with a 3.06 rear, the balance being 3.90’s.
Unfortunately, I have not documented any car with a “special order axle” and open rear. My guess is that it would likely be coded 702.
Any comments?

[Option 382]

I guess if Baron Von Zeppelin has the axle codes that would tell us more about the 702 code. I am taking these codes from the option list I wrote down in 1964 when I was ordering my car. I could have wrote it down wrong. I would say if someone ordered 3:90 gears and did not get posi, Pontiac would say who in their right mind would order something like this. This is going to have to be a special order axle.

[Option 382]

Also from my notes I wrote down in 64, a special order axle were gears lower that the 3:90 and they were dealer installed and not available from the factory. Pontiac says if you want lower gears than 3.90, make sure you order the close ratio 4 speed with the 3.90 gears and then these lower gears will be installed by the dealer. So Baron Von's car might have been ordered with the 3.90 gears with the intent to getting some lower gears installed by the dealer.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by wmurrell

I noticed on the ’65 Broadcast Sheet, the 702 is identified as “SPEC. ORD. AXLE”. Are you sure that it represents "standard axle" versus "special order axle"?


I have documented approximately 70 ’65 GTO convertibles and reviewed the billing history cards this morning. The standard axle for cars with A/C was 3.23 and non-A/C was 3.55. All the cars with “standard axles” and posi were coded 701. All the cars with “standard axles” and open rear were blank in box 70. Any car with a “special order axle” and posi was coded 703. This included one car with a 3.06 rear, the balance being 3.90’s.
Unfortunately, I have not documented any car with a “special order axle” and open rear. My guess is that it would likely be coded 702.
Any comments?

Mine is also coded 703 - 3.90 ratio, metallic brakes, posi.

K

[Option 382]

The passenger broadcast sheet you provided is slightly different from what my plant used and uses numbers where mine has letter codes for IDs. Looking at the one you have in the picture the axle box combines 3 groups 69, 70, 71. I think you have to add all of the numbers together to get the code for the axle within that group.

For example Keith Seymore's has the metallic brakes which is option 692. He also has safe-t-track which is option 701. If you add the 2 from 692 and the 1 from the 701 and add them together it makes 3 or 703. Keith has the 703 axle code = metallic brakes with safety track.

In Baron Von's car he has the metallic brakes (692) and has no safety-t-track which is really code 700. Add the 0 and 2 together and it gives you 702 or metallic brakes with no posi. So 700 is really open or standard axle but by adding those rare metallic brakes it makes it a 702 axle now.

[GT182]

I have no broadcast sheet for my 66. Axle is a 3.55 but a peg-leg... non posi. That's why I inquired about the Standard axle deal to find out why.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

703
(1) = safe-t-track rear axle
(2) ?
(4) = economy axle
(8) = performance axle

Sorry i didnt make this clearer in the beginning guys.
Billing History has 703 .... or 3 in box 70

It was a Posi rear code P

PHS highlighted 70_1 safe-t-track
thats why i was wondering if there was a 70_2

1+2 = 3

Looks like 703 was a culmination of 701 and 702 like 382 pointed out - basically in his first response. Or 692 and 701 like in his most recent post.

Since it is a late car built in July -
i had always fantasized "maybe" it was a RamAir car.
Don't know if there is a code to document that on a 65 - but if there is - probably not going to be 702.

Sort of surprised they didnt code this as 709 (1) and (8) for 3.90 posi

Have had this car for over 20 years and just noticed the 703 thing when i pulled out the papers to post its equipment in Tarheel's new car thread.

Amazes me he scored that kind of car in 2014
Incredible

[wmurrell]

Originally Posted by Option 382

For example Keith Seymore's has the metallic brakes which is option 692. He also has safe-t-track which is option 701. If you add the 2 from 692 and the 1 from the 701 and add them together it makes 3 or 703. Keith has the 703 axle code = metallic brakes with safety track.

The broadcast sheet was from a ’65. I do not know anything about ‘64’s and have only documented the ‘65’s. I think the math was just a coincidence. I believe the 703 code is referring to a “non-standard axle”, with posi. The only connection with metallic brakes was the 3.90 gear forced the option.
One of the cars I documented has a 3.06 gear (non-standard axle) and posi. It did not have the metallic brake option, yet it was coded 703 (special order axle with posi).

Baron Von Zeppelin…See my earlier post. I attached a section of a ’65 broadcast sheet that shows the definitions of the codes. I believe the 702 code refers to “special order axle”. For a non-A/C car, that would be any ratio other than 3.55.

[Option 382]

wmurrell, My info shows a 3.08 was an option for 65 but not a 3.06. Was that just a typo?

[wmurrell]

Originally Posted by Option 382

wmurrell, My info shows a 3.08 was an option for 65 but not a 3.06. Was that just a typo?

Yes...3.08 is correct. Sorry about that!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by wmurrell

Baron Von Zeppelin…See my earlier post. I attached a section of a ’65 broadcast sheet that shows the definitions of the codes. I believe the 702 code refers to “special order axle”. For a non-A/C car, that would be any ratio other than 3.55.

Good work on having a real build sheet !
Totally missed that before my last post.

Thanks !

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

i shoulda just posted the victims chart to start with