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Old 03-09-2021, 07:25 PM
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Read the Smoke Signals from a few months ago By Mr Toth.
Very interesting article on line workers (and others) doing all kinds of stuff.



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This just might fall into the "rare" category, but in the mid 80's, I saw a 72 Formula 455 at the Atlantic City swap meet/auction in NJ. It was black, with all black interior, and a bunch of original paperwork.
It was in the cars for sale area, and the asking price was $9500. I'm pretty sure it was a 4 speed car as well.
Maybe one of our members owns this one that the factory "never built"
Or so my buddies at the time were telling me.

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Old 03-10-2021, 07:17 AM
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This just might fall into the "rare" category, but in the mid 80's, I saw a 72 Formula 455 at the Atlantic City swap meet/auction in NJ. It was black, with all black interior, and a bunch of original paperwork.
It was in the cars for sale area, and the asking price was $9500. I'm pretty sure it was a 4 speed car as well.
Maybe one of our members owns this one that the factory "never built"
Or so my buddies at the time were telling me.
It does exist and restored by PY member Bentwheel Bob, now since sold...455HO, M22 4-spd, AC, black on black as from the factory.

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A friend of ours is the second owner of a '74 SD-455 Trans Am, auto with a column shift. The original buyer said that he ordered the car without a console and the only way they could build it that way was to do a column shift.

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It does exist and restored by PY member Bentwheel Bob, now since sold...455HO, M22 4-spd, AC, black on black as from the factory.

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No trim rings?

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No trim rings?
Chief, They were installed later before the judging and opening to the public...this picture was taken on move-in day at MCACN before the rails went up.

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Chief, They were installed later before the judging and opening to the public...this picture was taken on move-in day at MCACN before the rails went up.

Dennis
Had me wondering.

I thought maybe they were like Rally II's where they were an option or something.

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Old 03-10-2021, 10:34 AM
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A friend of ours is the second owner of a '74 SD-455 Trans Am, auto with a column shift. The original buyer said that he ordered the car without a console and the only way they could build it that way was to do a column shift.

Eric
It’s amazing how many high horse power rare engine combos came with column shift from all auto manufacturers in the day.

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It does exist and restored by PY member Bentwheel Bob, now since sold...455HO, M22 4-spd, AC, black on black as from the factory.

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I don't think that's the same car. Steve bought that car out of Canada. Bob bought it from Steve. Unless the buyer shipped it to Canada. I owned a 72 F455 cardinal red/ black 4spd with air back then also.

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My 73 Lemans Safari wagon with the Factory 4-speed manual was a surprise when I stumbled on it in a AZ salvage yard. PHS says the option was only available thru October of 1972 so about 3 months. They said they could only find 12 cars with the option, Ten 350 powered cars with Saginaw 4-speed, and two 400 powered cars with Muncie M20 4-speeds, My rust bucket is one of the two 400 powered cars.

As far as I can tell the only Leman's wagon models available with a floor shifted 4-speed manual trans were the 73 Models (I may be wrong about the 61-63 model years) Some day I may get back to it.

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Very interesting article on line workers (and others) doing all kinds of stuff.
...including "Mr Toth".


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A friend of ours is the second owner of a '74 SD-455 Trans Am, auto with a column shift. The original buyer said that he ordered the car without a console and the only way they could build it that way was to do a column shift.

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SD with granny shift is a contradiction. But that is the way it was on early 70's birds. No order console, get the column shift. I (as others) speculate some of them were ordered not aware of that fact, thinking a no console auto floor shift would be the end result. Not. FYI, I had a column shift 72 F400. People sometimes thought it was a fake Formy.

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My 73 Lemans Safari wagon with the Factory 4-speed manual was a surprise when I stumbled on it in a AZ salvage yard. PHS says the option was only available thru October of 1972 so about 3 months. They said they could only find 12 cars with the option, Ten 350 powered cars with Saginaw 4-speed, and two 400 powered cars with Muncie M20 4-speeds, My rust bucket is one of the two 400 powered cars.

As far as I can tell the only Leman's wagon models available with a floor shifted 4-speed manual trans were the 73 Models (I may be wrong about the 61-63 model years) Some day I may get back to it.
Jeff, That is such a interesting LeMans...so you don't own it any longer? Any pictures of it? I have a '70 LeMans 4-dr sedan (350 2-bbl) with the factory M20 trans, 3.23 posi, in-dash tach/gauges, sport (wood) steering wheel with manual steering, and PDB's. It's the only one we know of so far, and don't know if PMD made others, but I imagine there were a few that were made.

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I have posted in the past about the two Brothers (who worked on the line), and in 1973 had TWO 73 Wagons
built with the 455 SD Engines (by their buddies). The paperwork said regular 455 engines. Turbo 400 trans.

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It’s amazing how many high horse power rare engine combos came with column shift from all auto manufacturers in the day.
20 or 25 years ago I saw a white '64 GTO advertised in the LA area with a three on the tree. There were no other red flags that I noticed indicating that it was a fake. I did not personally look at the car or do a PHS, but always wondered if it was real.

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It’s amazing how many high horse power rare engine combos came with column shift from all auto manufacturers in the day.
Absolutely. A good friend in college had a 69 Hemi Roadrunner, plain bench seat, auto on the column, no tach. Was very dressed down.

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Jeff, That is such a interesting LeMans...so you don't own it any longer? Any pictures of it? I have a '70 LeMans 4-dr sedan (350 2-bbl) with the factory M20 trans, 3.23 posi, in-dash tach/gauges, sport (wood) steering wheel with manual steering, and PDB's. It's the only one we know of so far, and don't know if PMD made others, but I imagine there were a few that were made.

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There was a 4 speed 4 door Lemans for sale in California a few(10?) years ago

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I have posted in the past about the two Brothers (who worked on the line), and in 1973 had TWO 73 Wagons
built with the 455 SD Engines (by their buddies). The paperwork said regular 455 engines. Turbo 400 trans.
Does this mean that there are two "SD455" firebirds out there that were shipped with regular 455 engines? Or did two 455 SD engines just show up missing from inventory?

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My '67 Grand Prix is an oddball. Car was special ordered. Original owner went to 4 different dealerships before he found someone that would order it the way he wanted it.. as per the original owners son... Its an all manual car.. manual trans.. brakes.. steering.. windows.. etc. Odd for a GP as it was considered a luxury car at the time.

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