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Old 06-15-2021, 10:55 PM
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" full model catalogue" - which one, just looked at the blue (fat) and red (skinny) of 9/69 and neither mentions the Firebird. Neither does the "For people who think driving should be fun (also 9/69). First Firebird I have is the 2/70 "The beginning of tomorrow."

Particularly with showroom brochures, the date (on back cover) is important since some things get slipstreamed in.

Seems like I remember something with a 1st gen in the background but do not recall exactly where.

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Old 06-16-2021, 06:18 AM
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Jonny, if the year is 2021 and you are a dealer and currently have a 1969 Model car
that was never sold or Titled it is technically a “new “ car. So using your logic that makes it a 2021 model? If the vin says it’s a 69 it’s a 69 regardless of the year it is sold in. Your logic is totally flawed. My sister bought a new Camaro in February of 70 guess what it was a 69 Camaro.

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Well the original discussion has been somewhat derailed...

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" full model catalogue" - which one, just looked at the blue (fat) and red (skinny) of 9/69 and neither mentions the Firebird. ...

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I believe that the '69 Firebird was seen in the full model catalogue (in the background of other model images) in essence to make it seem current to the buying public as the new/current Firebird - even though the real 1970 model year car was coming later in the model year.
Seems like I remember something with a 1st gen in the background but do not recall exactly where.
Does that clarify it somewhat?

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Jonny, if the year is 2021 and you are a dealer and currently have a 1969 Model car that was never sold or Titled it is technically a “new “ car. So using your logic that makes it a 2021 model? If the vin says it’s a 69 it’s a 69 regardless of the year it is sold in. Your logic is totally flawed. My sister bought a new Camaro in February of 70 guess what it was a 69 Camaro.
Sheesh, how did we get here?
I didn't make up anything I typed, I just regurgitated it.

In October 1969, after all the new 1970 cars were introduced, the '69 Firebird was still being sold as a new car, and still able to be ordered and build as per the customers request;
I had said that these cars were being sold by some as 1970 cars;
I am not trying to reinvent anything here.

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I apologize if seems off topic but was thinking all was related to the incomplete year 70 Trans Am Rally II wheels. Friend had a 69 TA and remember his problems with "correct" wheels. I was more into a '70 Hurst SSJ.

Realize this is not everyone's interest but is the result of non-linear thinking (see difference between linear and non-linear thinking). Have always been interested in not only the event/item but the surrounding elements that resulted in the event. Such as taking an inventory (e.g. Buick) 15" steel rim and mating it to a 14" Rally II center with a band. Pretty common with the build-your-own-wheels of today but not in 1969-1970. Computers were beginning to be used for design but was not common.

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I had said that these cars were being sold by some as 1970 cars;
I am not trying to reinvent anything here.
While there were 1969 F bodies "Finished" in 1968, 1969, And in early 1970,
They are all '69 model cars.
Why? DOT Regs go by Calendar year.
GMAC Floor plans are based on Model year for new vehicles.
In Canada though, Pontiac marketed the '69 Firebird as a 1970 in their
Full line brochure. I used to have one in French.
There was no details and this got corrected.
There were ZERO 1969 F bodies sold as a 1970 model.
That said; There are 1970 GM models that are OLDER than some 1969
F bodies. ( have seen this in person)
Also Thousands 1970 F bodies have 1969 VIN number "designator" stamped into the Body.
The Year model "9" shows up at both Vin stamping locations on 1970 F Bodies. I have verified this 30 times already, and have one here at my house.

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Also Thousands 1970 F bodies have 1969 VIN number "designator" stamped into the Body.
The Year model "9" shows up at both Vin stamping locations on 1970 F Bodies. I have verified this 30 times already, and have one here at my house.
Sounds familiar!

That's crazy how they used a 9 stamp instead of a 0.

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I believe that the deal y was mostly about issues with the intended curved rear glass, and dies for the new panels;
Both issues warranted a delay in the new model year vehicle start.

But yes, I too recall reading of '69 cars being registered as 1970 - I think that had something to do with the car's build date.
Due to tooling problems Pontiac was burdened with selling carryover1969 Firebirds into February 1970. These cars built as 1969 models, but titled as 1970's.

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I apologize if seems off topic but was thinking all was related to the incomplete year 70 Trans Am Rally II wheels. Friend had a 69 TA and remember his problems with "correct" wheels. I was more into a '70 Hurst SSJ.

Realize this is not everyone's interest but is the result of non-linear thinking (see difference between linear and non-linear thinking). Have always been interested in not only the event/item but the surrounding elements that resulted in the event. Such as taking an inventory (e.g. Buick) 15" steel rim and mating it to a 14" Rally II center with a band. Pretty common with the build-your-own-wheels of today but not in 1969-1970. Computers were beginning to be used for design but was not common.
Apologize? For being off topic? Why apologize if you continue to do it? Look what you did at AACA.

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On 15 inch rally two wheels for a Firebird JW’s or KR’s has anybody ever had any problem with the Repo center caps hitting the dust cover on hub and not letting the wheel go on?
Yup.

I found the smallest dust caps I could, hollowed out the centers of the mounting/locking plate washers, and attached them with three screws around the side instead of the single one in the center.

98 Snake Eater's solution looks like it might be a bit easier to implement.
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Due to tooling problems Pontiac was burdened with selling carryover1969 Firebirds into February 1970. These cars built as 1969 models, but titled as 1970's.
Sorry Matt for the thread being off topic. But they sold 69 Firebirds and Camaros till they were all sold. There was no date. I would welcome any real documentation of any 69 vin being titled as a 70.

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Due to tooling problems Pontiac was burdened with selling carryover1969 Firebirds into February 1970. These cars built as 1969 models, but titled as 1970's.
Titled "In" 1970., not as a 1970.
Show me a 1969 Firebird, Title with a 1969 VIN,
But legally proclaimed its a 1970 for model year.
While crazy stuff happened in Canada, this did not happen in the USA.
Imagine a guy trading in his 69 and telling them its a 1970..
GMAC and DOT would have no part of this.
GM did finish unfinished 69 cars through January in the unfinished car lot.

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On 15 inch rally two wheels for a Firebird JW’s or KR’s has anybody ever had any problem with the Repo center caps hitting the dust cover on hub and not letting the wheel go on?
Thanks for everybody to try to help with This problem. It actually ended up being aftermarket front rotors that was not allowing the wheel to slide over the hub

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