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" full model catalogue" - which one, just looked at the blue (fat) and red (skinny) of 9/69 and neither mentions the Firebird. Neither does the "For people who think driving should be fun (also 9/69). First Firebird I have is the 2/70 "The beginning of tomorrow."
Particularly with showroom brochures, the date (on back cover) is important since some things get slipstreamed in. Seems like I remember something with a 1st gen in the background but do not recall exactly where. |
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Jonny, if the year is 2021 and you are a dealer and currently have a 1969 Model car
that was never sold or Titled it is technically a “new “ car. So using your logic that makes it a 2021 model? If the vin says it’s a 69 it’s a 69 regardless of the year it is sold in. Your logic is totally flawed. My sister bought a new Camaro in February of 70 guess what it was a 69 Camaro. |
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Well the original discussion has been somewhat derailed...
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I didn't make up anything I typed, I just regurgitated it. In October 1969, after all the new 1970 cars were introduced, the '69 Firebird was still being sold as a new car, and still able to be ordered and build as per the customers request; I had said that these cars were being sold by some as 1970 cars; I am not trying to reinvent anything here.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I apologize if seems off topic but was thinking all was related to the incomplete year 70 Trans Am Rally II wheels. Friend had a 69 TA and remember his problems with "correct" wheels. I was more into a '70 Hurst SSJ.
Realize this is not everyone's interest but is the result of non-linear thinking (see difference between linear and non-linear thinking). Have always been interested in not only the event/item but the surrounding elements that resulted in the event. Such as taking an inventory (e.g. Buick) 15" steel rim and mating it to a 14" Rally II center with a band. Pretty common with the build-your-own-wheels of today but not in 1969-1970. Computers were beginning to be used for design but was not common. |
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They are all '69 model cars. Why? DOT Regs go by Calendar year. GMAC Floor plans are based on Model year for new vehicles. In Canada though, Pontiac marketed the '69 Firebird as a 1970 in their Full line brochure. I used to have one in French. There was no details and this got corrected. There were ZERO 1969 F bodies sold as a 1970 model. That said; There are 1970 GM models that are OLDER than some 1969 F bodies. ( have seen this in person) Also Thousands 1970 F bodies have 1969 VIN number "designator" stamped into the Body. The Year model "9" shows up at both Vin stamping locations on 1970 F Bodies. I have verified this 30 times already, and have one here at my house. |
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That's crazy how they used a 9 stamp instead of a 0.
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Thank you.
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I found the smallest dust caps I could, hollowed out the centers of the mounting/locking plate washers, and attached them with three screws around the side instead of the single one in the center. 98 Snake Eater's solution looks like it might be a bit easier to implement.
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Sorry Matt for the thread being off topic. But they sold 69 Firebirds and Camaros till they were all sold. There was no date. I would welcome any real documentation of any 69 vin being titled as a 70.
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Show me a 1969 Firebird, Title with a 1969 VIN, But legally proclaimed its a 1970 for model year. While crazy stuff happened in Canada, this did not happen in the USA. Imagine a guy trading in his 69 and telling them its a 1970.. GMAC and DOT would have no part of this. GM did finish unfinished 69 cars through January in the unfinished car lot. |
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Thanks for everybody to try to help with This problem. It actually ended up being aftermarket front rotors that was not allowing the wheel to slide over the hub
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There is always a way
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