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Original and complete minus engine & transmission. Free of rust and dents, but in need of full resto after sitting in AZ sun. Carousel red, parchment?, 4-speed, non a/c.

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Probably anywhere between $500 & 5000........Depends on how bad you want it/ what it really needs & what you intend to make it into...
You could easily drop 20-30K restoring it.....likely cheaper to find a decent original or one that's already done.

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That is pretty much the condition I found mine in and I paid $2800 for it in 2008. If you want to see what it will cost to do the car, you can view my thread since I posted the cost somewhere near the end.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=605832

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That is pretty much the condition I found mine in and I paid $2800 for it in 2008. If you want to see what it will cost to do the car, you can view my thread since I posted the cost somewhere near the end.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=605832
I've looked through your thread, thank you for including the link. General condition of the car I'm referring to seems a little better, but not significantly so...hard to tell from photos. Your car certainly turned out terrific...I'd be thrilled with that outcome.

BTWL: VIN and trim tag indicate Formula, Van Nuys, standard sandalwood interior, carousel red (U & L)

Car has decor trim group and all is there except wheel moldings and rocker trim. Also 14 inch rally 2s, rally steering wheel, rally gauges, console...will order my own PHS

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I've looked through your thread, thank you for including the link. General condition of the car I'm referring to seems a little better, but not significantly so...hard to tell from photos. Your car certainly turned out terrific...I'd be thrilled with that outcome.

BTWL: VIN and trim tag indicate Formula, Van Nuys, standard sandalwood interior, carousel red (U & L)

Car has decor trim group and all is there except wheel moldings and rocker trim. Also 14 inch rally 2s, rally steering wheel, rally gauges, console...will order my own PHS
Told you that 70 Bird bug was gonna get you, Jeff...

Sounds like a cool car!

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It's an M20 car, Keith.

The trim tag say's 65-65, see attached.
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It's an M20 car, Keith.

The trim tag say's 65-65, see attached.
Early car... does it have a pot metal tail panel?

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What's the build date on it? Does it have the 12 bolt in it? Posi? Gears?

I might be interested in it if you want to flip it.

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Someone neatly cut away two sections where the vents should be at the rear of the hood.

Does anyone have this sectioned-out area, or a trashed hood with a good vent area section available?

...Keith, I'll check on the tail panel when I get the car this week.
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There is a guy locally who told me he has been fixing formula hoods by cutting the vent sections out of steel hoods and grafting them into the formula hoods. I have not seen the finished product. Has anyone else done that?

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Someone neatly cut away two sections where the vents should be at the rear of the hood.

Does anyone have this sectioned-out area, or a trashed hood with a good vent area section available?

...Keith, I'll check on the tail panel when I get the car this week.

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I spent a couple hours on the car this weekend removing the interior. The floors and trunk need absolutely no work. The steering wheel, gauges, switches, heater ducts, a pillar trim, and headrests look to be in great shape, seats are solid but need rebuild/recover. Will need just about everything else though.
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Someone neatly cut away two sections where the vents should be at the rear of the hood.

Does anyone have this sectioned-out area, or a trashed hood with a good vent area section available?

...Keith, I'll check on the tail panel when I get the car this week.
THAT SUCKS! Legit 70 hood too! Don't get rid of that hood - get another and graft that section in.

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THAT SUCKS! Legit 70 hood too.
Yep. Just one of those things I knew I was going to have to deal with when i decided to buy the car. I'm hoping someone has something in their stash I could use to perform the transplant. I'd also consider a complete hood.

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Just so you can see what it will look like.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...highlight=1971

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Still chipping away. Front sheet metal looks great except for some deterioration of the inner structure/bracing of the passenger fender, just the lower section in front of the door. It should be easy enough to repair, but I saw a set of perfect rust-free '70 fenders at a swap meet this morning, and I just couldn't help myself.
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IIRC, 02B. Was told the original "10 bolt" is in it. I thought they all had 12 bolt in 70.

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IIRC, 02B. Was told the original "10 bolt" is in it. I thought they all had 12 bolt in 70.
Did you check the VIN? (maybe it's just an Esprit with a hood)

Norwood build SHOULD have W66 on Cowl Tag.

ALL 1970 Formula 400's came with 12 bolts......

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You were correct, Keith.

Since correct engine, transmission, rear end are all MIA, am thinking 1 of none RA4 type of build...using a cleverly disguised IA II aluminum block & e-heads, 5-speed...otherwise stock appearing inside and out. I drive my cars, and this would be fun.

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You were correct, Keith.

Since correct engine, transmission, rear end are all MIA, am thinking 1 of none RA4 type of build...using a cleverly disguised IA II aluminum block & e-heads, 5-speed...otherwise stock appearing inside and out. I drive my cars, and this would be fun.
That's what I was thinking but with a real WW coded block in there, M-20 & 3:73 12 bolt. Really need to have an April-June build date on the cowl to be convincing - that's when the IV TA's were built.

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You were correct, Keith.

Since correct engine, transmission, rear end are all MIA, am thinking 1 of none RA4 type of build...using a cleverly disguised IA II aluminum block & e-heads, 5-speed...otherwise stock appearing inside and out. I drive my cars, and this would be fun.
It's on my "future project list" to build something like that, too. It's a long list, though, so not sure I'll ever get there

The car you found sounds like a perfect candidate.

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