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Cripe huh
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WHO IS WE ? how many in your mfg. plant employed "Cripe, you have already pointed out that you can install the wrong length metering rods in the primary side of a Q-jet, then go back in and install the wrong jets to make them work, and come up with a good end result. Does doing things like that make your methods the best way to get the job done?" who made you god grace kelly in order to condem me that i used wrong metering rods,just becuase you stated its wrong,is that the end of conversation you never showed 1 material to prove your statement that i used wrong metering rods I'd much rather install the right parts the first time in, get a perfect end result, then go on and work on something else we forgot to use the terminology "we" this time Same deal here with fuel systems. Folks have been "dead-heading" fuel systems for decades. The manufacturers of the pumps involved also send diagrams with them saying you can do this. So if it works for some, I'm happy for them not only over me & posters here as well your method again seems to be proven better that many manufacturers instruction huh "If I can provide a flow path to pull about 136 more gallons of fuel thru a 140gph pump in one hour or so of street driving at light load and low rpm's, then that's what I'm going to do. I know the additional fuel flow will help cool the pump, and it woln't be hammering as much fuel up against the PR valve and back to the inlet" again book writing skills & engineering information that has nothing to do when the consumer has allready bought a pump and using it succesfully Two things will happen here, the pump will run cooler, and the brushes will last longer. Same end result for the user as far as fuel delivery to the carburetor and vehicle performance is concerned.....FWIW.....Cliff i guess showing you solid proof for using the "dead head" mallory pump for 25+ years wasn't good enough no wait a minute ..but its always going to be Cliff to have the last words !!!!!
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someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the real world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FfKVVZW1-Y Last edited by harry k; 06-16-2012 at 11:58 AM. |
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Whats the difference? You guys dont agree with Cliff, and thats your choice. Enjoy running your dead head systems. No body tells you you are not allowed.
Harry, your receipts are impressive. That is great that you have run a pump on the street since 1988. I have a Mallory 140 that I gave my brother in 1995. He runs 10.60 with a Boss 302 and a Demon carberator. and its still going. I'm not sure stuff manufactured today is as good as once was. The Firebird I purchased last year had a 140 in it. The car barely made it down the track, running 11.20's. I installed an Aeromotive recirc fuel system in it, ran 10.60's the next week. That Grumpy Jenkins 1970's thinking is horsesh**. When driving to car shows, and getting ice cream, and maybe a pass down the track once in a while is all you do anything will work. But for all out performance and reliability, the new recirc stuff is light years ahead. Cliff is a great guy and a smart guy. He comes on here and offers advise, and helps people. Doesn't talk down to anyone. The Qjet book he wrote is top notch, and regarded as a valuable information source by many people. Especally is my game where we are looking for all out performance, with limited parts. If you dont agree with him fine, dont publicly insult the man... Off the soap box |
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I know the return is important for high volume systems needed for high HP because of the big difference of demand/supply at WOT and idle. My friend's alcohol carbed sprint car used one way back when, I've got one set up on the Camaro/IA using a Mallory 250.
But is is one more line to leak or break down-especially SS braided line using todays ethanol blended gas.
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Skip Fix 1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever! 1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand 1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project 2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune 13.43@103.4 1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project 1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs |
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What about the good ole Carter M6907? I was thinking of using one of these on my LeMans project with 1/2" alum line from the sump to the pump and 3/8 to the Q-jet. Mine isn't a big HP car, 350HP max.
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Johnny US Army Retired 1978 T/A 463 Pontiac, KRE 74cc 292CFM D-ports, Lunati VooDoo, V-max lifters, TKII, ATM 850 E85 carb, TCI TH-350 race tranny, 3600 converter 3.73 12 bolt 11.63@116.68mph 1981 T/A 4-speed 406 Pontiac, Merrick ported 6X heads, Comp 270S cam, Crosswind intake 750 Street Demon, 3.42 30 spline Eaton posi street car. 1980 Formula 350 Pontiac back burner project 1972 LeMans 350 Pontiac |
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The Carter that went bad was years ago when the switch to ethanol was taking place. I always thought that may have had something to do with the quick/early failure.
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68 GTO,3860# Stock Original 400/M-20 Muncie,3.55’s 13.86 @ 100 Old combo: 462 10.75 CR,,SD 330CFM Round Port E's,Old Faithful cam,Jim Hand Continental,3.42's. 1968 Pontiac GTO : 11.114 @ 120.130 MPH New combo: 517 MR-1,10.8 CR,SD 350CFM E's,QFT 950/Northwind,246/252 HR,9.5” 4000 stall,3.42's 636HP/654TQ 1.452 10.603 @ 125.09 http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO...lip-31594.html |
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Thanks Todd for the comments above.
The readers have to keep in mind here that I am trying to bring folks out of the dark ages with this stuff. We do test EVERYTHING, and of course, it's just not possible to discuss all these topics without a few folks getting their panties all wadded up, and attacking the messenger, etc. Bothers me not in the least, the facts are what they are. I really don't care what anyone else does, just providing useable and accurate information, no matter who it pisses off or how much they attack the messenger, the facts are what they are......FWIW......Cliff
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a Veteran! https://cliffshighperformance.com/ 73 Ventura, SOLD 455, 3740lbs, 11.30's at 120mph, 1977 Pontiac Q-jet, HO intake, HEI, 10" converter, 3.42 gears, DOT's, 7.20's at 96mph and still WAY under the roll bar rule. Best ET to date 7.18 at 97MPH (1/8th mile), |
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Your not the Cliffy I've thought I knew....very bitter....take a long ride on your bike and reflect on your life, friends and who you are to others. Hope you get some help there! Thanks
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Carburetor building & modification services Servicing the Pontiac community over 20 years Last edited by shaker455; 06-16-2012 at 05:07 PM. |
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Jeff, you are just dabbling with this stuff. I highly recommend that you keep your day job, and keep your personal comments directed at or toward me to yourself.
One day when you quit being a full time machinist for someone else, and part time carb builder on a picnic table in your back yard after work, and support yourself and your family full time in this industry, you will understand what is really involved with dealing with HUNDREDS of customers every singe day, all day long. Considering the amount of work we do here, I have very, very few problems in any area. Some words of caution here if I may, your own work isn't without flaws, or not making the grade either. If you want to start making a list, I SERIOUS doubt if my list is smaller than yours....FWIW Anyhow, this website is NOT the place to "air" out that sort of stuff, or to try to draw more work toward yourself with comments as you made above, trying to indicate to readers that you are better at this deal than someone else, or spend much of your time correcting issues with my work or anyone elses. If my count is right, that is at least the 3rd time you have tried to pass that message in Public Forum, and i've even been sent emails from other Business owners that post here about it. Being a nice guy, I've just ignored it, till now. I can say this to you and everyone else for a FACT, I don't know anything about it, which means it's either all BS, or the customer didn't contact my shop if what we did for them wasn't up to par. No one in this industry goes further with customer assistance than I do, period!. Anyhow, my advice to you young man, is that "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", and I am DONE with this thread......Cliff
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a Veteran! https://cliffshighperformance.com/ 73 Ventura, SOLD 455, 3740lbs, 11.30's at 120mph, 1977 Pontiac Q-jet, HO intake, HEI, 10" converter, 3.42 gears, DOT's, 7.20's at 96mph and still WAY under the roll bar rule. Best ET to date 7.18 at 97MPH (1/8th mile), |
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Some really great things come from picanick tables... now im pisst
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Question for NHRASuperStocker455SD, "We run two hoses 1/2 from the 4 port regulator to the Qjet."
Does this mean you run two 1/2 inch hoses from regulator back into one fitting into the Q-Jet inlet? I assume this just gives you more available volume between the regulator and the carb as the single QJet inlet fitting is still a bottleneck.... thx - I am fighting the same issues as well. planning to add recirculation line and bigger supply fuel lines. |
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