#1  
Old 10-19-2022, 01:21 PM
BF Pierce BF Pierce is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 3
Default Found 1964 GTO spinner hubcaps and wheels

Hello,

I was directed to inquire here by a member of the GTO Forum after posting there. I would appreciate any expertise. Original Thread:https://www.gtoforum.com/threads/fou...ubcaps.143064/

I was at estate sale digging around in an attic and uncovered original Cragar SS wheel boxes. I opened the boxes hoping to find some NOS Cragars but what was inside was a set of black steel wheels with Pontiac spinner hubcaps. I was amazed at the condition, besides a little dust they looked like new.
I brought them home and did some research and I looks like they are from a 1964 GTO. The Cragar boxes are labeled with marker "Sold to D** 1965" so I'm assuming the Pontiac wheels were put in the boxes at that time after they swapped to the Cragars. That would explain the condition.

The wheels are stamped 14x6JK with what looks like a 8(?) 63 below that.

My question is regarding the value of these as I am looking to sell them. I am far from an expert on parts like these so I was hoping to get some input on a fair market price for the set of hubcaps and wheels.

I will include some photos I took. I didn't even polish them, just rinsed the dust off.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9655.jpg
Views:	264
Size:	78.4 KB
ID:	600743

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9656.jpg
Views:	183
Size:	70.0 KB
ID:	600744

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9657.jpg
Views:	156
Size:	64.3 KB
ID:	600745

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9660.jpg
Views:	165
Size:	67.0 KB
ID:	600746

  #2  
Old 10-19-2022, 01:23 PM
BF Pierce BF Pierce is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 3
Default

Here are the codes I found on the wheels.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0073.jpg
Views:	145
Size:	63.1 KB
ID:	600752

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0074.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	138.8 KB
ID:	600753

  #3  
Old 10-19-2022, 02:21 PM
Dick Boneske's Avatar
Dick Boneske Dick Boneske is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Winneconne, Wisconsin
Posts: 5,388
Default

There are '64 GTO people looking for these wheel covers. The selling price should be at least $1200, maybe more. .

The wheels, with the 14X6JK, also should fetch several hundred dollars.

__________________
BONESTOCK GOATS

'64 GTO Tripower Hardtop (Wife's Car)
'64 GTO Tripower Post Coupe (My Car)
'99 Bonneville SE Sedan
  #4  
Old 10-19-2022, 02:36 PM
JSchmitz's Avatar
JSchmitz JSchmitz is online now
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Union, MO
Posts: 2,137
Default

Always loved these! Never had the pleasure of owning any.

  #5  
Old 10-19-2022, 04:07 PM
60sstuff's Avatar
60sstuff 60sstuff is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Left Coast
Posts: 2,789
Default

Those ‘64 Custom wheel disc have always been in high demand.

The 4 14x6 steel wheels are even harder to locate in a matched set.

You have some valuable items there.

PS, it would help to see photos of the backside of the caps for wear, rust.

__________________
1) 65 GTO Survivor. 43,440 Original Miles. “Factory” Mayfair Maize Paint with Black Pinstripe, Black Cordova Top, Black Interior, OEM Numbers Matching Powertrain. Purchased from the Lady that bought it new. Baltimore Built (11A).
2) 66 GTO Survivor. “Factory” Cameo Ivory Paint with Red Pinstripe, Red Interior. OEM Numbers Matching Powertrain. Tri-Power (OEM Vacuum Linkage), Automatic "YR" code (1759 Produced). Fremont Built (01B), with the Rare 614 Option.
  #6  
Old 10-20-2022, 07:49 AM
Andre's Avatar
Andre Andre is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Hobe Sound (Tiger Land), Fl
Posts: 4,731
Default

I would like to see the valve stem area from the back to verify if they are original or the reproduction. thanks.

  #7  
Old 10-20-2022, 01:36 PM
BF Pierce BF Pierce is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre View Post
I would like to see the valve stem area from the back to verify if they are original or the reproduction. thanks.
You bet.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0076.jpg
Views:	189
Size:	50.3 KB
ID:	600837

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0075.jpg
Views:	192
Size:	99.7 KB
ID:	600838

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0077.jpg
Views:	164
Size:	93.2 KB
ID:	600839

  #8  
Old 10-21-2022, 07:39 AM
Andre's Avatar
Andre Andre is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Hobe Sound (Tiger Land), Fl
Posts: 4,731
Default

I'm 99% certain those are originals. I have originals and unused reproductions from the 80's/90's. The reproductions are super nice, but when set next to originals, the color is slightly different. Also the cutout in the back where the valve stem goes through is not as rounded as the originals. The vent holes on the reproductions are not stamped as definitively either, but not at all noticeable unless compared to original.

The Following User Says Thank You to Andre For This Useful Post:
  #9  
Old 10-21-2022, 08:08 AM
Andre's Avatar
Andre Andre is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Hobe Sound (Tiger Land), Fl
Posts: 4,731
Default

Here are a couple comparison pictures. The one with the rustier back is the reproduction that has been on my car for 25+ years

#1 reproduction on left, original on right. Note the shape of the valve stem hole
#2 reproduction on bottom, original on top. Not the cutout for the valve stem hole is much bigger on the reproduction
#3 reproduction valve stem hole is more oval and not as clean as original
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20220501_093701.jpg
Views:	139
Size:	93.8 KB
ID:	600857   Click image for larger version

Name:	original above reproduction below.jpg
Views:	135
Size:	57.3 KB
ID:	600858   Click image for larger version

Name:	reproduction b.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	35.9 KB
ID:	600859  

The Following User Says Thank You to Andre For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 10-21-2022, 12:48 PM
60sstuff's Avatar
60sstuff 60sstuff is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Left Coast
Posts: 2,789
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre View Post
I'm 99% certain those are originals. I have originals and unused reproductions from the 80's/90's. The reproductions are super nice, but when set next to originals, the color is slightly different. Also the cutout in the back where the valve stem goes through is not as rounded as the originals. The vent holes on the reproductions are not stamped as definitively either, but not at all noticeable unless compared to original.
Good information Andre!

__________________
1) 65 GTO Survivor. 43,440 Original Miles. “Factory” Mayfair Maize Paint with Black Pinstripe, Black Cordova Top, Black Interior, OEM Numbers Matching Powertrain. Purchased from the Lady that bought it new. Baltimore Built (11A).
2) 66 GTO Survivor. “Factory” Cameo Ivory Paint with Red Pinstripe, Red Interior. OEM Numbers Matching Powertrain. Tri-Power (OEM Vacuum Linkage), Automatic "YR" code (1759 Produced). Fremont Built (01B), with the Rare 614 Option.
  #11  
Old 10-21-2022, 12:55 PM
dld's Avatar
dld dld is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: MARYLAND 21061
Posts: 2,055
Default

The wheels are one year only . because of the code at the valve stem . there is a date on the inside near other codes you show that shows the year of production. look hard it does not always stands out.

wheels are at least two hundred a peace and don't break the set

The market is small. there are few people that are that concerning . 64 to 66 are the same wheel. only the codes are different and of course the date

the Kelsey Haze wheels most likely will only be for a car other than a Fremont build

  #12  
Old 10-21-2022, 01:19 PM
dld's Avatar
dld dld is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: MARYLAND 21061
Posts: 2,055
Default

example of markings
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0920_01.jpg
Views:	119
Size:	64.7 KB
ID:	600865   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN1302.jpg
Views:	130
Size:	83.3 KB
ID:	600866   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0923_01.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	37.8 KB
ID:	600870   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0971.jpg
Views:	115
Size:	91.5 KB
ID:	600871  

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:33 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017