[Heybuck]

Just saw this Youtube clip on these cars. Terrifying...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50hGfTEamy0

Ignore the paid promo (goes for about 3 minutes) but the rest is very enlightening.

This guy puts out some very entertaining clips. He was a long term motoring journalist who I guess has burnt his bridges with most every car maker on earth by now.

[beemergary]

My sons an engineer for Crysler. True Story. Had one catch on fire on a Sunday. Just happened to be a couple guy's there but still set of sprinkler system. Place was a wet mess when he got there monday morning. He does heating and cooling.

[stevep]

I despise EVs!

[mgarblik]

Electric cars, IMO have a place in the mix of ground transportation choices. Like so many things in our world today, there are no clear winners and losers. We should have choices and be allowed to evaluate and pick what best serves our needs and the needs of our families. What I don't agree with, are mandates, bans, tilting of the playing field to favor one technology over another. Let the market sort out which is better on a fair, fact based, cost based, environmentally big picture, birth to grave basis. Hydrogen, hybrid, compressed natural gas, fuel cell. plug in electric and traditional gas engine cars ALL have advantages and disadvantages. They all use energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Looks allot like 100 years ago. 1/3 battery powered cars. 1/3 gasoline engines and 1/3 steam in 1920.

There is no doubt, Stalantis built junk is the worst of the worst. Very, very late to get into the electric game, building the cheapest garbage possible to satisfy their ownership group and show a profit. Failure was really the only option from day 1. At least Mercedes and Fiat had a long history of building cars and trucks. I would be very surprised if Stalantis is still around in it's current form in a year.

I have been involved with the service and education side of business for electric cars since GM introduced the EV 1 decades ago, so these are just my observations. We still have an EV 1 in our shop to help tie history to the current batch of EV's.

[KS circutguy]

[Sirrotica]

The Sheetz store near me is installing charging stations, I'll be interested to observe during my lunch time how much they get used. I eat there 3-4 times a week, so I'll have a ringside seat to observe the frequency of how much, and often the charging stations get used.

My stepson is the foreman for the petroleum handling company that is installing/servicing the charging stations, so I'll also be able to find out if they have trouble with the equipment they're installing.

As long as I can still operate my gasoline/diesel vehicles, I'm not even considering an EV. It doesn't fit my lifestyle even remotely.

I have a lot of background with EV units such as forklifts, and aerial lifts during my time as a tech. They have their place in a factory setting, or on a construction jobsite, but they're always close to an energy source, with cars and trucks that isn't the case.

The idea that electric vehicles solve air quality problems is only in the area that that vehicle is is in. The energy is being made likely by a fossil fuel powerplant in another portion of the country. If lawmakers had a brain, they'd likely see that you're only moving the point of energy conversion from fossil fuels to electric. fossil fuels still are being used indirectly to power the EV...............DUH..........

[BILL BOWMAN1]

Zero to do with saving the planet.
100% to do with controlling the citizen.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by BILL BOWMAN1

Zero to do with saving the planet.
100% to do with controlling the citizen.

I couldn't agree more, power exerted over the citizens to conform is the main reason.

My point is the reasoning, is unreasonable, and a smokescreen.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

The Sheetz store near me is installing charging stations, I'll be interested to observe during my lunch time how much they get used. I eat there 3-4 times a week, so I'll have a ringside seat to observe the frequency of how much, and often the charging stations get used.

My stepson is the foreman for the petroleum handling company that is installing/servicing the charging stations, so I'll also be able to find out if they have trouble with the equipment they're installing.

As long as I can still operate my gasoline/diesel vehicles, I'm not even considering an EV. It doesn't fit my lifestyle even remotely.

I have a lot of background with EV units such as forklifts, and aerial lifts during my time as a tech. They have their place in a factory setting, or on a construction jobsite, but they're always close to an energy source, with cars and trucks that isn't the case.

The idea that electric vehicles solve air quality problems is only in the area that that vehicle is is in. The energy is being made likely by a fossil fuel powerplant in another portion of the country. If lawmakers had a brain, they'd likely see that you're only moving the point of energy conversion from fossil fuels to electric. fossil fuels still are being used indirectly to power the EV...............DUH..........

Please keep us informed on your observations and information from your stepson about the reliability and use of the charging stations. I am interested in real world results and how the chargers are doing out there. Directly across the street from the NAPA store I use every day, there is a fairly large apartment complex. Probably 100-125 units. They put in about 10 charging stations in the parking lot facing the street about 6 months ago. Each has a heavy, black plastic bag over it, so they are not wired-up and in use yet. No idea why it is taking so long to bring them on-line. Anyway, if and when they get them going, I will keep an eye on them as well. Tesla has sold a good number of cars now and I do see 3-4 on the road every day, sometimes more. I have seen 2 Rivians, 3-4 Polstars and 1 cyber truck. Allot of plug-in vehicles look like everything else on the road so you don't really "see" them. I always look for an open front grille, but that is not always a dead giveaway. The general metro Dayton, OH area I live in has a population of around 200,000 people. So a decent sample size of a typical Midwestern city.

[KS circutguy]

2025. The Year of Non-Compliance. I WILL NOT COMPLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7hNK_SVu0

[LastoftheThinkers]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

The Sheetz store near me...

All I saw... I miss Sheetz

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by LastoftheThinkers

All I saw... I miss Sheetz

I think you're in the Dayton area. If you go east on 70 there's one at Springfield Rt 41 exit, and another one at the Rt 42 exit in London.

[72projectbird]

I love Jeeps (real Jeeps), but I won't touch a hybrid Jeep. Never ever.

[geeteeohguy]

Originally Posted by BILL BOWMAN1

Zero to do with saving the planet.
100% to do with controlling the citizen.

Exactly. The entire 'climate crisis ' and demonization of fossil fuels is simply a man-made way of controlling and manipulating people in the interest of more power by those in power.

Climate changes. It's what it does. Man cannot control it with mandates and taxation.

EV's have the same limitations that they did 120 years ago when they outnumbered ICE vehicles.

Any product that requires government 'incentives' and implementation is not an honest product on its own merits. It's all about control.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Gasoline remains hard to beat.

[sdbob]

This EV situation sometimes just seems illogical. I wonder who is behind forcingEVs? It's nice to have new experimental technology. Logically it seems too expensive
for the average person.Disposing of the bad batteries is another. Forcing it on people just seems to waste money,time,focus on more advanced technologies.

[fyrffytr1]

I think at my age and the fact that I don't travel any long distances anymore, I could see myself in one of these. I just need to start a go fund me page! 0-60 in 4.1 seconds 754 horsepower, 785 lb.-ft of torque. 440 mile ranges and only $100,000!

[kingbuzzo]

Originally Posted by sdbob

This EV situation sometimes just seems illogical. I wonder who is behind forcingEVs? It's nice to have new experimental technology. Logically it seems too expensive
for the average person.Disposing of the bad batteries is another. Forcing it on people just seems to waste money,time,focus on more advanced technologies.

Elon is trying to buy his way in right now...lol

<non political rant...jokes from sidelines...sometimes reality funnier>

[GT182]

I wouldn't own a EV if I was paid too. I rather have an Easy Bake oven that would easier to get out of..... because I couldn't get into it. EV's are nothing but fire traps IMHO. I wouldn't even buy an electric scooter of bicycle.

Now a Hybred could be ok. Maybe.