[PAUL K]

A bunch of great stories here. I really don't know what y'all are doing wrong, all my friends and family members screw the dealerships over when they buy a new car. They also get top buck for their trade-ins.

[grandam1979]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Sounds like your already well versed in the Dodge Truck rust issues. It flat amazes me how bad those trucks rust the outside body panels. My experience at my shop and friends trucks is good mechanicals, good, interior, general hardware, frames. Terrible front suspension and outer body panels. Bubbling rust in 2-3 years is very common. Rusted through in 3-4 years. Totally unacceptable with what we know about metal treatment today. A real shame. They are as bad as 1970's-1980's Japanese trucks.

Yes I’ve had a few my work truck is a 2004 1500 my wife drove it from new till about 150,000 miles now it’s just over 360,000 and it has some serious rust in the bed and a few other areas. We have a 2012 we got new with 130,000 on it now it still looks very nice no visible rust.

[tigergto]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

A bunch of great stories here. I really don't know what y'all are doing wrong, all my friends and family members screw the dealerships over when they buy a new car. They also get top buck for their trade-ins.

Lol,. I always say, I’m the only one that doesn’t get an amazing deal when buying a car.. Everyone I talk to always gets a smoking deal. Also, I rarely ever gamble, but I’m the only one that I know of that loses when I do.
I don’t know how the Dealerships and Casinos stay in business.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by 70oldgoat

I have no vested interest in Toyota, but...

I have owned four Avalons in past 20 years.
Drove each 200,000 to 300,000 miles.
Needed routine maintenance only.
We currently drive a 2019 Avalon Limited and love it.
For me, a great car for the money.

Excellent cars. I had a Camry Solara Coupe the first year they came out. It was a great, trouble free car too. I also recall the quality of the leather interior being better than its competitors.

[68 Firebird]

Are Jeep wranglers suddenly made out of gold.
Want to pickup a used wrangler to wheelin with
The kids and ouch. The prices are much higher then last
Year. How long will these inflated prices last?

Gerry

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by tigergto

Lol,. I always say, I’m the only one that doesn’t get an amazing deal when buying a car.. Everyone I talk to always gets a smoking deal. Also, I rarely ever gamble, but I’m the only one that I know of that loses when I do.
I don’t know how the Dealerships and Casinos stay in business.

It's all BS. Everybody claims they beat the dealer on their car deal because it makes them feel good.

[tigergto]

Agree with it makes them feel good, and also the way the dealer writes it up, they really think they beat him.

[dataway]

Nobody "beats" the dealership ... the dealership can say NO just the same as the customer if they think they will lose money. No one is forcing the dealership to sell a car. If a dealership says YES ... it's because they make money when they do.

[77 Canamman]

There are few people worse in this world than car salesmen. One are lawyers, and the other are shady NOS parts retailers.

[Sirrotica]

The reality is yes, the dealership makes money, but they do look for easy marks that know zero about buying, and selling a car. The more information you have on your side, the better the deal you can make.

Low info customers, or people that don't deal well with confrontation are where the dealers can make a higher percentage over investment. These are the people that should buy cars from a "no haggle" establishment.

Since almost every time I buy a car it's a used car, and there is usually something mechanically not 100% with it I can buy under their asking price because I'm willing to buy "as is", no warranty, no guarantee. This is where you have to talk to the used car manager. Certain dealers won't sell to the public on an "as is" basis, so I find dealers that will.

My idea is that no one hits a home run every time they step up to the plate, I like them to get a base hit off me. The negotiation points are between a double or a triple, that's how I rationalize it.

[DarthBubba]

Originally Posted by 77 Canamman

There are few people worse in this world than car salesmen. One are lawyers, and the other are shady NOS parts retailers.

99% of lawyers give the 1% a bad name.......

[Heybuck]

It might work a bit differently in the US than here in Oz but my opinion of New and Used car salesmen (and women) is that generally they have a pretty hard job.

The buying public seem to have an automatic perception that anything to do with buying a car is going to be difficult, they are going to be screwed over etc so the public approaches the whole event with a bad attitude.

In turn, the sales person has been pummelled so many times by smart arse customers; they are already on guard before words are even spoken. On top of all this, the sales people are working at the lowest level in the hierarchy of the dealership. They have aggressive sales managers above them who are almost certainly demanding a certain number of sales monthly or the salesman's job is on the line. Lot of pressure on them before the deal is started even. Mostly they live on commissions. Don't forget, we all have to eat and provide for our families. Sales people of anything are no different.

If you do your research thoroughly BEFORE you even approach a dealership, you are just so much better off. When the sales person starts talking, you should already know the answers. If you don't like the terms, just leave your name, express your interest in THAT car, and walk. If they call you back, you win. If they don't call back, you know there wasn't a deal to be done at that dealership. Its not difficult if you don't want it to be so.

JMHO

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by tigergto

Lol,. I always say, I’m the only one that doesn’t get an amazing deal when buying a car.. Everyone I talk to always gets a smoking deal. Also, I rarely ever gamble, but I’m the only one that I know of that loses when I do.
I don’t know how the Dealerships and Casinos stay in business.

Every One I know that has went to Vegas "won enough money to pay for their trip". One of my favorites!

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Every One I know that has went to Vegas "won enough money to pay for their trip". One of my favorites!

Not me. I went to Vegas 10 years in a row to work the CES and attend my employer's (Japanese and they love to gamble) annual operations recap meeting also in Vegas. I never won enough money to play more than a couple hands of blackjack on the house's money before they won it back.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by NeighborsComplaint

Not me. I went to Vegas 10 years in a row to work the CES and attend my employer's (Japanese and they love to gamble) annual operations recap meeting also in Vegas. I never won enough money to play more than a couple hands of blackjack on the house's money before they won it back.

Obviously you were doing something wrong.... Lol

I'm not much of a gambler but walked through the Casino in Elgin once. I was amazed at how folks acted walking around the place giving away there money. I didn't see anyone winning. One guy in particular was loosing a $20 chip approximately every five seconds.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Obviously you were doing something wrong.... Lol

I'm not much of a gambler but walked through the Casino in Elgin once. I was amazed at how folks acted walking around the place giving away there money. I didn't see anyone winning. One guy in particular was loosing a $20 chip approximately every five seconds.

I live in Elgin and have never been to the Casino. I was at the Joliet Casino and won $50 on the first pull on a dollar slot machine. Took the cash, went straight to the bar and waited for my buddy to lose his money. It didn't take long.

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by 77 Canamman

There are few people worse in this world than car salesmen. One are lawyers, and the other are shady NOS parts retailers.

Lawyers.. TV evangelists.. Insurance saleaman... Teachers.. College professors.. Sports figure.. TV entertainer.. Politician..

People get mad at car dealers because they sell a person a product. When that product fails or the person becomes dissatisfied later down the road.. The car dealer becomes an A-hole. The car business can be stressful.. In all honesty... most customers are A-holes trying to get over..

Who lies more than a car salesman???? A customer... If a customers mouth is moving.. they're lying..

BTW.. I own a small used car lot and an auto repair shop..

[Greg Reid]

Keep in mind....all dealers are also customers. They're getting their cars somewhere!

[NeighborsComplaint]

Here's a tactic some dealers use ... they ask for your keys to appraise your trade and then play "who has the keys?" while they try to work the deal. This happened to me about 10 years back. After my third time telling the sales manager "There's nothing more to discuss, get my keys, I want to leave", I scooped up the keys to the demo car I test drove off the his desk and told him "Fine, I'm taking your car for an extended test drive while you look for my keys" and got up and started walking away. Amazing how quickly they found the keys.

[nas t eh]

Originally Posted by 71GP76TA

Who lies more than a car salesman???? A customer... If a customers mouth is moving.. they're lying..

BTW.. I own a small used car lot and an auto repair shop..

I can imagine the condition cars getting traded in would get lied about or undisclosed all the time, but even this would not always be intentional as so many don't even notice their car has an issue till it is really obvoiuse. With a full shop to check it over it should be pretty hard to pull the wool over your eyes and for you to get taken advantage of?

Words I heard from car salesman on my last three buying experiences, "This is our Lowest price", "You won't find a better deal than this one". " We are at the bottom, You can't get a better deal" maybe you have never said these words. But three different salesman said these words and they were not true, walking away dropped the price later the same day or the next day.

What have you heard from a customer who was buying and did not have a trade in for you, that was bad and cost you money?