[gregsgtos2]

You cant restore one for that money. Good Luck

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by gregsgtos2

You cant restore one for that money. Good Luck

I understand that completely. That is why you buy one done. To restore any car today, you are upside down when finished. I have not done a thing to any of my cars, except maybe a correct battery or hoses. They were completely restored when I bought them.

[weranc55]

Originally Posted by gregsgtos2

Ziggy- We have been trying to help you on here for months-told you about some good cars-every time they are too high on price or have 1 or 2 items that need straightened out to bo correct. You have PMed myself and others. We have all been more than helpful to you looking for a car. You missed a screaming deal on the white 70 RAIV JUDGE I sold last summer and said you saw it at the auction. I have an idea-find one yourself!

Greg,

It sounds like he needs to sell his car before making a move for something else. Nothing wrong with that. However to find a ra4 judge thats perfect with 0 issues at a screaming deal thats probable not going to happen. BTW I have yet to see a ra4 Judge with 0 issues and that includes your white car, my blue car and ever other Judge I've seen at any of the shows.

[greg4161]

Have a recently restored 70 gto hardtop with added judge options. black on black with new basecoat clear paint. body is rust free, arror straight. has newly assembled 614 heads done bu JIm Butler mated to ram3 block. all sheetmetal is oem. m21 and 323 10 bolt posi rebuilt and tight as is the chassis. interior is mint, but could use new headliner. engine looks stock but installed with butler 461 rotating assembly with all the good internals. puts out around 500hp at 4000 rpm. the car is very fast and a blast to drive. asking $40,000 the only reason I'm selling is to fund the restoration of a 73 TA I'm working on now. If, interested or any additional question, feel free to buzz me at 508-942-5338. Greg

[gregsgtos2]

No such thing as a perfect car-I say that all the time. Only exists in some owners minds.

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by gregsgtos2

No such thing as a perfect car-I say that all the time. Only exists in some owners minds.

Greg

Don't know what you are willing to settle for, but my Chevelle LS6 has all its original sheet metal, no body work ever, all the original glass including the windshield, the original motor with all original components, original trans and rear, original interior except for recovered buckets and front carpets and all the original paperwork including two build sheets, POP, sales invoice, pre delivery inspection checklist and original owners manual. Some incorrect items are heater hoses, PCV valve and little stuff. By the way my 1970 Judge is not quite that original but it is where it counts. Original drivetrain and components, and solid GM paperwork as well as PHS. This is the kind of car I am talking about and I guess what you are telling me is that I won't find a 1970 Ram Air IV GTO like that. If that is the case than I guess I won't get one.

[gregsgtos2]

I did not say you wont find one,but if and when you do,be ready to pay for it. I restored a numbers matching 1969 RAIV JUDGE with 4 speed last year. Within a couple of weeks after I finished it-it sold for $180k. Like I said-you will have to pay for it.

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by gregsgtos2

I did not say you wont find one,but if and when you do,be ready to pay for it. I restored a numbers matching 1969 RAIV JUDGE with 4 speed last year. Within a couple of weeks after I finished it-it sold for $180k. Like I said-you will have to pay for it.

I am very happy for you, but anyone that would pay that for a 1969 Ram Air IV GTO HT is nuts. That figure just does not jive with reality today. If that is even close to what I would need to pay, than I won't buy one. Short of it being an all black convertible from a well know collection, I can buy a done Hemi Roadrunner or GTX or a 435 Corvette convertible, Bloomington Gold, for less than that.

[gregsgtos2]

The ONLY TRIPLE BLACK RAIV 69 JUDGE CONVERT BUILT JUST SOLD FOR $682,000 A FEW MONTHS AGO.

[Judge273]

Greg are you screaming?

[Ziggysdad]

My point and than I will shut up. No "regular" GTO that has a Ram Air IV in it is worth 180K, at least not to me. One can always point to a one of a kind car. How about a 1967 L88 Corvette for over two million. I am not talking about cars like that. If a standard #1 Judge today is worth 50-70K, all I need to do is add a Ram Air IV and I have a 180K car. Must be platinum heads and block. Thanks for all the insight. I think you are right, I will find one on my own, just like every one of my other cars.

[gregsgtos2]

No-not screaming. Just saying that the good rare cars still bring good money.

[weranc55]

One easy way to figure out the value of a ra4 judge is to take a ra3 Judge and multiple X 2. Gregs car sold for 80k or so and a non matching ra3 judge would have probable pulled 40k. A #'s matching good color ra3 judge is worth 50 to 70k according to you than a #'s matching good color ra4 should be worth 100 to 140. I think thats a realistic range right now. If you take JL's prediction that you should be able to buy a restored ra4 judge for under 50k in the next year than a ra3 judge will be worth under 25k. I'm not a expert on Chevelle's but arent LS6 car worth twice what a 325hp 396 is? I thing you will have a hard time finding a restored #'s matching ra4 judge is a good color for under 100k. Maybe a bad color or automatic but a popular color and 4 sp I doubt it will happen. Good luck with your search and I think Mecum will be very interesting this year.

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by weranc55

One easy way to figure out the value of a ra4 judge is to take a ra3 Judge and multiple X 2. Gregs car sold for 80k or so and a non matching ra3 judge would have probable pulled 40k. A #'s matching good color ra3 judge is worth 50 to 70k according to you than a #'s matching good color ra4 should be worth 100 to 140. I think thats a realistic range right now. If you take JL's prediction that you should be able to buy a restored ra4 judge for under 50k in the next year than a ra3 judge will be worth under 25k. I'm not a expert on Chevelle's but arent LS6 car worth twice what a 325hp 396 is? I thing you will have a hard time finding a restored #'s matching ra4 judge is a good color for under 100k. Maybe a bad color or automatic but a popular color and 4 sp I doubt it will happen. Good luck with your search and I think Mecum will be very interesting this year.

100K is realistic,but for that price the car should have the original drivetrain, be #1 correctly restored and be a 4spd Judge.

[weranc55]

Originally Posted by Ziggysdad

100K is realistic,but for that price the car should have the original drivetrain, be #1 correctly restored and be a 4spd Judge.

If you find one in a good color for that price and pass on it let me know. I would be interested in it.

[Judge273]

Me too. If I pass on a matching restored 4 speed Black Judge for that price shoot me...

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by weranc55

If you find one in a good color for that price and pass on it let me know. I would be interested in it.

Your comparison to a Chevelle is not correct. A 396/325hp is a different engine in size and it is a hydraulic valve train with a quadrajet. An LS6 is a 454/450hp with huge sqare port heads and a solidlifter valve train, with a huge Holley. No comparison. I just don't believe that the difference in engines in the GTO doubles the price, at least not for me. I know where there are two restored cars in private collections, one a GTO and the other a Judge, both Ram Air IV's, 4 spd. Both may be for sale, the Judge for around a 100K and the GTO for well below that. As I said I can find one myself. I won't ask anymore stupid questions. We all have our opinions.

[68bird400HO]

So, how much does the Judge option add over a similar equipped/color/condition non-Judge RAIII car?? It seems in this comparison, the Judge option is nothing more than stickers and a rear wing.......

[Ziggysdad]

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO

So, how much does the Judge option add over a similar equipped/color/condition non-Judge RAIII car?? It seems in this comparison, the Judge option is nothing more than stickers and a rear wing.......

I am not going to beat this horse to death, but you just said it not me If you have two comparable cars, what is the difference? Stickers and a wing. I will not argue the rarity issue of a IV vs a III as not adding value, but how much? I personally would pay 20-25K more for a Ram Air IV than a Ram AirIII all things being equal. If I can't do that than I guess I won't get one. My Judge is great and has a certain rarity. I am more than happy to keep it.

[Judge273]

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO

So, how much does the Judge option add over a similar equipped/color/condition non-Judge RAIII car?? It seems in this comparison, the Judge option is nothing more than stickers and a rear wing.......

What's a TA over a similar Formula if you don't know the answer??