[Mark G]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Maybe, maybe not... KRE is a master of smoke and mirrors... they like to conceal issues with their products... kinda like they did with Tom Moon... in my opinion of course.
Honestly, I don't care either way.. I believe either block will get the job done in the right hands...

I agree 100% I just never seen or heard of any MR1 blocks failing no post on PY ever .But do a search here on the IA2 you will be surprised...On the other hand IA2 aluminum block is really nice piece.

[i82much]

Originally Posted by Mark G

I agree 100% I just never seen or heard of any MR1 blocks failing no post on PY ever .But do a search here on the IA2 you will be surprised...On the other hand IA2 aluminum block is really nice piece.

Maybe, but if you ever have an issue with an AllPontiac product they will go to the ends of the earth to resolve it for you. If you are aware of some of the history of the other block mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you will find that the other vendor did not exactly go to the "ends of the earth" to resolve issues of their own making. Rather, they went to court to sue the individual that publicly revealed problems with their block.

It's old news, but those of us who know about that deal will never forget it, and I would bet almost anything that anyone familiar with that deal would go to AllPontiac over the other vendor if they wanted an aftermarket Pontiac block.

[chiefbigb]

There are probably allot more all pontiac blocks in circulation than MR1 blocks

[Steve C.]

"It's old news, but those of us who know about that deal will never forget it..."

And with some of us in court when they said they wouldn't do anything about defective blocks !

Block hardness certified soft as a cast iron pan, wall thickness below stated standard and rear main cap machined incorrectly. Some with cam bearing bore size issues, and lifter angle/placement.

No paperwork received with block, no mention of warranty or return policy included at the time of purchase, nor disclosed prior to delivery of block.


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[Mark G]

Originally Posted by i82much

Maybe, but if you ever have an issue with an AllPontiac product they will go to the ends of the earth to resolve it for you. If you are aware of some of the history of the other block mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you will find that the other vendor did not exactly go to the "ends of the earth" to resolve issues of their own making. Rather, they went to court to sue the individual that publicly revealed problems with their block.

It's old news, but those of us who know about that deal will never forget it, and I would bet almost anything that anyone familiar with that deal would go to AllPontiac over the other vendor if they wanted an aftermarket Pontiac block.

I know all about it and that was the old first casting MR1 I remember the butter block days very well . The new MR1 is not that block. No ends of the earth was ever need with this block because it has not failed Like the IA2 has.Just Facts please

[i82much]

Originally Posted by Mark G

I know all about it and that was the old first casting MR1 I remember the butter block days very well . The new MR1 is not that block. No ends of the earth was ever need with this block because it has not failed Like the IA2 has.Just Facts please

Buy what you want. I would go back to AllPontiac in a heartbeat. I had an issue with starter fitment that turned out to be a problem with the starter, not the block. AllPontiac did everything they could to help me, and at the end of the day it wasn't even their issue to begin with. Turns out the starter I bought had a mounting pad that was too thick.

[Mark G]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

There are probably allot more all pontiac blocks in circulation than MR1 blocks

That is just a uneducated guess you or I have no way of knowing for sure ..

[Mark G]

Originally Posted by Steve C.

"It's old news, but those of us who know about that deal will never forget it..."

And with some of us in court when they said they wouldn't do anything about defective blocks !

Block hardness certified soft as a cast iron pan, wall thickness below stated standard and rear main cap machined incorrectly. Some with cam bearing bore size issues, and lifter angle/placement.

No paperwork received with block, no mention of warranty or return policy included at the time of purchase, nor disclosed prior to delivery of block.


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Well who fault is that and that was the old MR1 block if you like we can talk about the old IA1 block made of sand,,.. Any block you buy even today from either vendor is not going to do **** for you. Sure both like to talk ask member here if any of them got a new block after it failed.. And for the record I would not buy a bolt from Mr Kaufman after the way I was treated..

[Ken MacNicol]

I have a friend who has gotten a Mr1 block this year and it was so porous it leaked water, so they sent him another and the same thing. Then he tried calling them back and they would not answer the phone. Imagine that.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Mark G

Well who fault is that and that was the old MR1 block if you like we can talk about the old IA1 block made of sand,,.. Any block you buy even today from either vendor is not going to do **** for you. Sure both like to talk ask member here if any of them got a new block after it failed.. And for the record I would not buy a bolt from Mr Kaufman after the way I was treated..

So you going with a stock block then?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Mark G

That is just a uneducated guess you or I have no way of knowing for sure ..

While anything other than looking at numbers manufactured would be an uneducated guess,

That being said. Based on what people have posted on PY in both the Street and race sections I would say it a Min of 3 to 1 for the IA.

I have never pull a plot up. Maybe someone who has can put one up for which block do you have?

Stan

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

There are probably allot more all pontiac blocks in circulation than MR1 blocks

I’m not sure that is an accurate statement.



GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

While anything other than looking at numbers manufactured would be an uneducated guess,

That being said. Based on what people have posted on PY in both the Street and race sections I would say it a Min of 3 to 1 for the IA.

I have never pull a plot up. Maybe someone who has can put one up for which block do you have?

Stan

I go to Norwalk for the Pontiac race and there are dozens and dozens and dozens of people that stop by my pit spot and say they are on the PY board only to read and don’t post and then there are people that don’t even know about the Pontiac web site. Point being there is only a small sample size on the PY web site.


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Mark G

Well who fault is that and that was the old MR1 block if you like we can talk about the old IA1 block made of sand,,.. Any block you buy even today from either vendor is not going to do **** for you. Sure both like to talk ask member here if any of them got a new block after it failed.. And for the record I would not buy a bolt from Mr Kaufman after the way I was treated..

Mark I disagree. Bob and Frank have stood behind every issue I've heard about with their blocks....and heads for that matter. It has been documented on this sight. They have even offered to stand behind issues that turned out not to be issues.

Same deal with Dick at IA.... I had a block that had porosity in a cylinder and he offered to send a new block or reimburse us for the repairs.

Now as recent as two years ago when there was a shortage of blocks. Another engine builder I know ordered a block from KRE. When it showed up it had several issues. Jeff said he would take care of it and scheduled a truck to pick up the block without consulting with his customer...the block was picked up, money refunded and a replacement was never offered... Frank and Bob stepped to the plate and helped the gentleman out with a new block from AP.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Sorry, I have to respond on this one.
Dick Duclow's IA-1 block was out there at the time.
Rodney Butler chose to run one of those blocks as a 440 cid engine and did for years.
Marty could have bought a Duclow Block if he wanted to.
He chose to use the 1967 400 Block that came from Bill Klausing and put splayed caps on the block. It lasted 3 years and also eventually cracked in the same location as the blocks mentioned by Mike Garblik.

So what was posted was not true and the truth needed to be told..
I will only post here if the post is a bold faced lie.

Tom V.

That’s pretty funny, obviously IMO senility has set in! LOL!


GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I’m not sure that is an accurate statement.


GTO George

Based on what? I have already stated what numbers I am using.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I go to Norwalk for the Pontiac race and there are dozens and dozens and dozens of people that stop by my pit spot and say they are on the PY board only to read and don’t post and then there are people that don’t even know about the Pontiac web site. Point being there is only a small sample size on the PY web site.


GTO George

So just how many of these people were running an after market Pontiac block?

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

That’s pretty funny, obviously IMO senility has set in! LOL!


GTO George

With the things you have posted lately. Does anyone take UO seriously?

Stan

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

So just how many of these people were running an after market Pontiac block?

Stan

I Don't know don't keep track. All 4 days the KRE pit spot is crowded/busy ALL day. Around 500 race cars and around 500 show cars at the Pontiac race.....lots of them have aftermarket MR-1 blocks and lots don't. All I'm saying is don't go by the few people that post on the Pontiac web sites, it a small sample size......just saying!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

With the things you have posted lately. Does anyone take UO seriously?

Stan

I have NOT posted anything that was not true or that i can't back up or haven't already, just because a few don't like the answers.......life goes on!

GTO George


I’m waiting Stan.


GTO George