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Old 02-07-2023, 11:18 AM
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Default Gold YZ Formula up for auction again

I get Hemming's alerts (even though I'm not in a financial position to buy anything at this time) and the other day I received an alert that had this car:

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I believe it was up for auction, or maybe listed by the same seller(?) last February - because I saved different/larger images on February 10th;
I knew I saw this car previously because of the aftermarket accessory lamp(?) on the drivers side inner fender.



Maybe someone can clue me in - did it not meet reserve last year?

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Old 02-07-2023, 11:34 AM
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If I had the money, would buy it, write a book with 100's of pics, then donate to the Ames foundation Museum.
I dislike the color of the Vinyl roof, but the car is a great original example.
The electric seat back release is NOT a 1 off though. PDL got it as std.
What was the last top bid?

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Old 02-07-2023, 11:44 AM
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electric seat back release?

I will look at my other photos...
I do not have record of what it was bid(?) to last year.

EDIT:
I don't have this option recorded in my other pictures - do you have a better shot of the dash to clearly read what the switches are for?
(because I am guessing that is where it is)

It does look to be a cool fairly original car.

It also has the GM hood lock kit - as can bee seen by the hood release under the dash.
(I bought one of those kits complete/NOS several years ago)

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Old 02-07-2023, 11:57 AM
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I dislike the color of the Vinyl roof, but the car is a great original example.
Agreed. My GTO came similarly equipped, but could not bring myself to reinstalling. IMHO...looks much better without for that color combination.

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The GM hood lock kit was a Dealer installed option only IIRC. The ones for F body's are pretty rare. I think Craig ( Norwood) made one for his car a while back.
The cable and under dash lever are still found for sale.
A while back I think PY offered a generic kit.
On this car There is a PDL Switch on dash, but looks like some other switch added to its left.
1970 models with the seat back release will typically have 2 door switches on the A pillar pad, which is a " double tall" area only found on a 1970.

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the hood lock kit was for sure not a factory option - I hope no one took that from my prior post.

It was for (according to installation sheet) GTO, T-37, Firebird and Grand Prix.

My box (with one sticker on the box end, in the old GM colours) reads:
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Gr. 8.083 1- #988993
HOOD LOCK
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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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On this car There is a PDL Switch on dash, but looks like some other switch added to its left.
1970 models with the seat back release will typically have 2 door switches on the A pillar pad, which is a " double tall" area only found on a 1970.
it took me a while to figure out what you meant by this - now I get it!!

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Agreed. My GTO came similarly equipped, but could not bring myself to reinstalling. IMHO...looks much better without for that color combination.


That's a GREAT looking GTO. Good call on the top.

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I have seen this car many times for sale it had different sales story but isn't a yz ra3 car if I remember correctly. It has a ys engine and #62 heads and 307 12 bolt.Have seen it for sale on ebay and in Arizona.

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I have seen this car many times for sale it had different sales story but isn't a yz ra3 car if I remember correctly. It has a ys engine and #62 heads and 307 12 bolt.Have seen it for sale on ebay and in Arizona. I wad determined that my car came with the 307 but dug into it and it's not a true ra3. It's the engineers car that added dealership aircleaner plus swapted heads. It's nice but not 1 of 293. It's a clone.

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Well this is good information!

I wouldn't call it a clone, a clone car is one which was built as a model it wasn't;
If we call this a clone, then all 70-75 Formulas with the added RA bits would be blanketed as clones.

Your post is a bit confusing, as it reads that your car came with 3.07's (which would be L78, not L74) - and those of us who have you & your car straight, know that it is an L74/M40/C60 car.

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)

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The GM hood lock kit was a Dealer installed option only IIRC. The ones for F body's are pretty rare. I think Craig ( Norwood) made one for his car a while back.
The cable and under dash lever are still found for sale.
A while back I think PY offered a generic kit.
...
I decided to expand upon this a bit;

HERE is a thread discussing this kit - but it has a different release than the one pictured in this car.

Here is a quote from that discussion:

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Grp 20.000 ACCESSORY PACKAGES, DEALER INSTALLED


988735......69-70 76 (GP)

988799......70 All Pont (B series)

988834......70 23 (F series)

988993......71 A,F,G series

988994......71 42 series (GTO)

<source: 3/71, 3/72 MPC's>

last one....
989156 ......73 F

<source: 1/73 MPC>
HERE is another thread discussing the hood locks - this discussion has some parts pictured.

I just noticed that my kit has a different part number on the instructions;
The part number on the instructions is 979093.

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Well this is good information!

I wouldn't call it a clone, a clone car is one which was built as a model it wasn't;
If we call this a clone, then all 70-75 Formulas with the added RA bits would be blanketed as clones.

Your post is a bit confusing, as it reads that your car came with 3.07's (which would be L78, not L74) - and those of us who have you & your car straight, know that it is an L74/M40/C60 car.
What I ment to sat was that care has a 307 and I thought it was correct but since it's a copy of a ra optioned care "clone" it was a standard gear. You guys taught me mime should be 331 open. I call this car a clone because if you have a standard formula and swap heads and add air cleaner it's not a true ra. But im.not sure what to call it. About 1 year ago I had a chance to buy a low mile original car for about 30k. So let's say I add ra air system is it worth 80k? This one was also on.facebook for 80k. It's nice but not real and being sold as real.so what is it?

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if it has #62 heads, odds are they were installed because something was wrong with the original #13 heads (the two castings, for all intents and purposes are the same) - the #62 heads are the 1969 version of the 1970-#13 heads.
Both automatic, "72cc" (more like 80cc iirc) large valve 400 non-RA heads;
Some call the #62 heads RAIII castings, because it has been suggested (iirc) that these heads were found on some auto/AC 1969-RAIII engines.

So...
It has replacement heads, and added ram air parts.

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Purchased New by Pontiac Collector David Blaire, a Pontiac Engineer
The Blaire Family Collection was Featured in 1978 ''Hot Rodding Magazine''
Since David was and Engineer, he was Able to Order Options that Were Not Offered in 1970 Such as: Inside Hood Release, Headlight Timer and Electric Bucket Seat Release
12 Bolt Rear End with 3.07 Gears

Sounds like some of this was installed on the line possibly?

If only he had ordered the RA IV engine?



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what I've learned from you guys, I call BS on that quote;
The gearing was nothing special, the electric seat release was a production item, and has been covered here, the hood release was never installed prior to the dealership.
Headlight timer? - maybe that's what the giant thing is on the inner fender.

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Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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From my understanding this car was owned originally by a pontiac engineer who added ram air on a ys block. According to Arizona salesman. From there it went to.ebay and wad listed for @ 65k. Then seen on Facebook for 80k plus. No bs. Those are known facts. This car is very close color combo to mine and it got my curious. I think the red thing is an old school emergency light similar to a flair. It's a very nice car but it's a ys 2 bolt main with 1969 heads and dealership air cleaner. I think they said it has a hood release from inside the car. I call it a clone but not sure what to.call it. I know this if it was a base or formula turned into a trans am it would be a clone. Real ra3 are very low in production as everyone knows but what is it? A base formula non number matching true low mile Survivor.?
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That was a good one Jonny ! Thank You !!!!!
And I mean that sincerely
I about doubled over

What it REALLY is - is a factory Pontiac reel out underhood light ,,,, from the mid 60's full size line.
Half of the lense is red as a distress signaler (dual purpose)
Its made similar to the reel out trunk lights of the mid 60's Pontiacs , but more scarce.
The headlight timer remark was perfect timing for that appliance

62 heads would be off camber.
The switch next to door locks "should be" rear window de-icer or defogger

I don't believe this car is anything more than a vision.
Looks repainted too.

It is 35 minutes from me at Greensboro Auto Auction.
If its still there in a couple weeks I will go investigate it.
It is probably not going anywhere real soon unless a big sucker comes along.

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70 GTO could get factory tail light monitor that mounted on package shelf and had that whatchamacallit plastic tubing type light running to them.

I think the headlight sentenniel could be dealer installed only.
But not sure it was out in 1970 yet.

Not disputing it , but I have never seen any 70 Bird / TA with the door lock option.
But will trust you guys on that.
GTO offered it , with the seat back lock as a piggy back feature

I think Power-Flow vents were available on 70 F-body too (non A/C cars)
But never seen it on a car either.
The switch would have been over there in the dash dummy plate where we see the door lock switch and the mystery switch on this car.

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Fiber Optic Tail light monitor
yep

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