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05-30-2013, 02:15 AM
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'65 Bonnie Option Identification Help
Hi guys:
Thinking about a '65 Convertible for sale and the PHS paperwork has me a bit confused. Box #71 has a "5" in it and I don't see any way of identifying that code on either the main sheet or the special equipment sheet. Any ideas? Box #75, 76, 77 has what I "think" (hard to tell) is either VEP or VFP? I "think" (from the Special Equipment Sheet) that this refers to a Heavy Duty Hydramatic Tranny and a Premium Fuel 4bbl Carb. 1) what is the Heavy Duty Hydramatic Tranny as opposed to Box #74 which has a "1" in it identifying the Turbo Hydra-Matic? 2) why would it identify the tranny on the main page and the Special Equipment page if the tranny's are the same? Am I even close here?
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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05-30-2013, 05:59 AM
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Phil, I ran into a similar thing with my '60. It also has an HD Hydramatic and I saw no difference inside. It may have a slight calibration difference.
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#3
05-30-2013, 04:52 PM
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Interesting Steve ... hmmm ...
Anyone else with any insight? And what is column #71 for that I have a "5" in?
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#4
05-30-2013, 06:15 PM
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No way I know more about this than Steve, but in the '66 Chassis manual it lists about 6 different TH400s. They are all coded different for the various engine and carb combinations. At one point it was discussed here and the difference in at least the 376 HP TH400 was pointed out.
FWIW my PHS option list does not match up exactly with the original build sheet I have for my car that has been in my family since new.
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#5
05-30-2013, 06:17 PM
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Block 75,76,77 Says YFP The YF is the engine code, same as on the block.
I suspect block 77 is for the speedometer driven gear but don't know No clue ATM on block 71. I can tell you the 65 GP I parted out was 3 and YFP My 65 2+2 is 7 and WGG
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#6
05-30-2013, 07:01 PM
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Dude! Jayhawk! EXCELLENT! Spot on! Great catch. That MUST be it. It is consistent with what he says his car has in it.
No all I need is block #71? Anyone else? So far we've seen them with a 3, 5, and 7! There must be a meaning to it.
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#7
05-30-2013, 07:17 PM
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Try This......
Just as a thought, maybe you could e-mail PHS back and ask if they can clarify the codes you are looking for?
If ANYONE would have the experiance in understanding the various codes it would be Jim Mattinson (sp). Just off the topic a bit, I subscribe to the US mag "Sports Car Market". There is a very interesting article in the June issue under Legal Files which details the efforts and difficulties Jim Mattinson has suffered in retaining the rights to the information he offers to the Pontiac community. We ALL need to be VERY GRATEFUL for his work.  Ian 
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#8
05-30-2013, 07:27 PM
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Heybuck ... lol ... just did that!
 How can we read that article?
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#9
05-30-2013, 07:40 PM
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It might be YE (no a/c) YF would be with A/C
Something would have to chuck the correct trans and speedo gear combo in the car and there was a lot of possibilities, hence my guess on box 77. Wag on box 71 The GP was a floor shift automatic 3? The 2+2 is a floor shift manual 7? maybe column shift auto is a 5??
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05-31-2013, 01:49 AM
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The car I'm thinking of is a floor shift auto ...
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#11
05-31-2013, 02:31 AM
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Quote:
I can scan it as send it to you if you like Anyone else???? Easy to do Ian
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#12
05-31-2013, 12:45 PM
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It would be greatly appreciated Heybuck!
I didn't get the car ... I made a real good offer but without my knowing he was waiting for money from Sweden ... all the Swedes taking the full size Ponchos! Exchange rates killing us ... Oh well ...
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#13
06-03-2013, 07:53 AM
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PHS Story
[QUOTE=70ra455;4938594]It would be greatly appreciated Heybuck!
QUOTE] PM sent. Anyone else who wants to read this, just send me an e-mail to: ianbuchan@bigpond.com and I'll send it back to you. Not sure about breaking any copyright rules so at this time I'd rather just forward it to personal email addresses. When I find out if I can post it up, I'll put in a link so everyone can enjoy it. Ian
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#14
06-03-2013, 08:00 AM
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'66 TH400 trans codes on tag on side of trans. Not sure if same for '65:
PA 421 tri-power PB 389 2bbl PC 421 4bbl (2+2 only) PD 389 4bbl PH 389 heavy duty requirements PG 421 (4bbl non 2+2) Book says very important to include this code with all parts inquiries regarding TH400 so must be some internal parts differences.
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#15
06-03-2013, 10:29 AM
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Interesting Deadhead ... thanks.
Anyone for column/box #71 and what it refers to??? I have NOT heard back from PHS when I emailed them last week ...
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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#16
06-03-2013, 10:30 AM
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Heybuck ... I didn't receive any PM??
I'll email you ...
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1970 GTO Convertible 455 Ram Air M-21, Atoll/Blue/Black, Hood Tach, 3:31 12-Bolt Posi, A/C, Console 1966 Grand Prix 421 Tripower 4spd, Marina Turquoise/Turquoise, a/c, console, posi, reverb. pa, pb, ps, remote mirror, mats 2010 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic, 6spd Hemi, Detonator Yellow, black stripe, black leather |
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