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I'm loving every bit oif this thread! Learned something already. I didn't know Harris made the control arm bushings. I thought I'd seen Saginaw on those.

How about the master cylinder color, guys? I thought we were leaning towards a light shot of black spray vs. a natural metal look. Is this one of tbose could have been done either way deals?

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'ric.. I agree that semi gloss lacquer black is correct. I did this work for Chad,I bet every bit of 4-5 years ago. It wasn't until a couple years back that I finally "saw the light" on the masters having black paint originally.So that grey color is my bad,not Chads.. Chad you should hit it with a single coat of black. It still has the plastic port covers I sent,just turn it upside down, and spray it.Wouldn't worry about using a rattle can on this part, get semi lacquer from NAPA or similar place..

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From what I have seen the 72 f bodys did sport the small EB at least thats where mine came from.
Also after you paint that master black send it to a machine shop (or Craig )and have those machined areas cleaned up on a mill for the original look. That front stamped area will have to cleaned up with stripper and protected before that repaint though.
Love the selection of parts and options. Restoring a car now a days to an original level is hard, time consuming and expensive route. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing with us all!
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CRaig.. I say the small EB is more than likely from a GTO.. As I said in earlier post, a couple 2 or 3 that I have seen from Firebirds had the small EB, but am not sure these were originals to those cars.May have just been found by FB owners and sent to me for resto.. I think the "community" accepts both as correct, they are metered the same so either will work ..if available, I would suggest the large font on our 70-71 FB's.. can't confirm if 72's used EB's, think they did.. not positive though.. others more familiar with 72 model years can speak to this.

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linking in. good info for when I get to mine.

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How about GM's supplier(s) for control arm bushings? Could there have been multiple suppliers of these for "F" bodies as there was for "A" bodies?

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How about GM's supplier(s) for control arm bushings? Could there have been multiple suppliers of these for "F" bodies as there was for "A" bodies?
Yes, I've seen Harris Silentbloc and General Tire myself so could have easily been several I'd guess.

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Pm me for my info if you want me to do the rivets. I have presses up to 100 tons.
Wow, 100 tons!!. Best I have in my garage is 30 tons. And while I have a great bearing splitter that's about it for accessories so far. I'll PM you later.

Thanks all for your help and encouragement. Here's some more intake related stuff.



Here's the stove pipe elbow part number 481991 for the right side of the engine. Should be original. They are a bit thicker metal than the reproductions that I've held.



Here's one you might call BS on me about, but this car when I got it, had a thin lip shaker scoop. I know there was some carryover from 1970 and it says some of that in the assembly manual but I couldn't find the section I was looking for yet. It seems to be in nice shape. No cracks. Getting close to ready for paint, but now I was reading how Mr. Norwood redoes those, too. Well, take a look.

Part number molded into the underside 481689







The flapper door works very smoothly.





Do you think some repair work done here? Seems like a lot of sealer.



A hole on the trailing edge that I believe is for the ground strap that runs to the firewall.



The old seal is still in decent shape. It's got a bit of overspray on the backside but is still very pliable. I could probably bend it into a figure 8 if I wanted to.





Part number molded into it. 481697



Yes, pliable enough for a figure 8...



Air cleaner top lid has been blasted and painted. Too shiny? This is part of 6486669



Underneath side



One of 2Manys favorite parts. The 481991 pipe. I primed this after blasting to keep it from flash rusting. What was the thought on the finish for these tubes?



This is visually the same duct as 479482 and 483652 but is the replacement 9797496 part. It should fil the void.



Here's a 479212 elbow with the flat at the bend for clearance.





And an original with tower clamp. I'll try to get a close up of that later but it is a 2 5/8" Wittek with a 4/70 date on it. That's about the oldest thing I've seen on it yet.
Not positive that is original.



The old heat riser shroud. I've had some of these parts replated by a local cad shop (twice now) but they always start to turn a light green over time. Maybe I need a new cad plater.



And the shroud from passengers stove.



The 3959115 Switch Assembly for the shaker flapper activation.



And the 9788460 Clip (same as 9796744) to hold the switch to the bracket.



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When you paint the master, just take some blue painters tape, place over the flats where the ports are, and then paint it. Many think GM machined those flats after painting, even heard hotshot professional restorers say this. My take is they didn't do machining after painting. I think the master cylinder was machined,ports assembled then to protect the ports from getting paint they put tape over the flats,which is why we all see originals with that flats unpainted.

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Bill might be correct regarding the flat machined areas however this unit has already been painted thus machining or stripping is the only options. Mine was bead blasted and left a rough finish thus the need for machining to replicate the original appearance.
My original 73 unit had a six digit part number stamped into the machined area over the port. This was a small font compared to the date code stamp. Replicating that is another topic for sure.

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Has anyone figured out what that small stamping on the port opening flat is??I have seen more without it, but without a doubt have seen some with it.. seems it is hit or miss if yours got that stamping.. none of 3 I have here have it.. the ones I have seen ,from memory, started with a "cs" or something similar?? like a 2 letter then a string of numbers stamping ??

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Chad-

Is that the original heat stove (90 degree and part that mounts to intake) from your 71 hO?? I ask because Craig was trying to find an original of both of those pieces from a 71 a few months back. Craig repos these parts and there was discussion as 71 model year being differnet from 72 model year?? Craig did you ever sort that out??

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Impressive list of NOS parts already! Can't wait to see what appears next.

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All good now Bill, I do have one.


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Has anyone figured out what that small stamping on the port opening flat is??I have seen more without it, but without a doubt have seen some with it.. seems it is hit or miss if yours got that stamping.. none of 3 I have here have it.. the ones I have seen ,from memory, started with a "cs" or something similar?? like a 2 letter then a string of numbers stamping ??
I thought the csxxxx was the date code. I know I had a thread somewhere asking the correct one for my 73, and that was it. Because I was hoping to find one. I have to look later for that thread.

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I'll get the master cylinder painted semi gloss black before I install it on the car. Thanks everyone for the input on that.

Chapter 3 Verse 1 - Front Suspension

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1362014 6.176 All F BUMPER (upper arm) 2 1970 1975 6-4

One of those favorite pieces to install.



3973052 6.176 All F BUMPER (lower arm) 2 1970 1973 6-4

Not sure if you can make out the number on the pick tag or not, but it is there.



5535623 7.345 All F .................... SHOCK PKG. (front) 2 1970 1971 7-9
Stamped with number 3192132 - These are the 1980's service replacements.



Delco marking in rubber grommets 381957 7.244 Fir. exc. 400 4 B.C ....... GROMMET, frt. stab. link 8 1970 1971 7-7
396797 7.245 All ...................... RETAINER (front) 8 1964 1970 7-8
1365067 7.347 All ...................... NUT, frt. shock to upper brkt. (~xs''-24) AR 1964 1970 7-13



482332 7.242 All F/Trans. Am BRACKET, front stabilizer shaft (w/firm 2 1970 1971 7-7



9432415 7.242 All F/400 Trans. Am.-- (8.907) . SCREW, frt. brkt. to frame (%''-- 16 x 1'' so 4 1970 1972 7-7



482331 7.243 All F/Trans. Am. or Formula BUSHING (front) (w/15'' whl.) (11/4'' I.D.) 2 1970 1971 7-8



464167 7.240 F W/WS4, W66 ............ LINK KIT, FRT STAB 2 1978 1981 7-3

These are the later 70's style. I think I still have what could be originals. I'll have to dig them up for comparison to what you guys have.





Might be a couple of days before my next update here. Keep the comments coming.

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Just a quick question Chad,....with all these cool NOS parts, after they've been installed do you keep the boxes?? I do. They're almost as cool as the parts themselves!

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Chad.. we will have to get our 71 HO's together in the future. I am 90% done on body ,going to painter in the next 30 days. I have every NOS part you have shown and a few others(like the heat riser shroud-HO style drivers side) will have a ground up restored car with all NOS parts like yours appears will.I have .... a question.. will you drive yours after completion with all these NOS parts?? I'm going to drive mine, just want mine to be as close to "day 1" as possible. will keep it out of weather, but will definitely drive mine..

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Atta boy Bill, drive the **** out of it��

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Chad.. we will have to get our 71 HO's together in the future. I am 90% done on body ,going to painter in the next 30 days. I have every NOS part you have shown and a few others(like the heat riser shroud-HO style drivers side) will have a ground up restored car with all NOS parts like yours appears will.I have .... a question.. will you drive yours after completion with all these NOS parts?? I'm going to drive mine, just want mine to be as close to "day 1" as possible. will keep it out of weather, but will definitely drive mine..
Didn't GM have a lifetime warranty on all of these parts? Lol.

In the Army some of my buddies were mechanics in the motor pool and I'd go hang with them sometimes if they had to work on a weekend. I found it interesting how they had so many spares for everything. Sort of rubbed off on me. So I was just showing the number needed to build one car.

I don't think I'll make it my daily driver...but I do plan to drive it some. Not likely in the rain, snow, sleet or hail, though. It's no mail delivery truck and my driveway is steep enough that I need 4x4 to get out in the snow. Never make it in the T/A. I can just imagine trying....hahaha.

I used to have the perfect driver T/A, just sold it last year. Great car. Some rare options on it. I had owned it since 1997. Had some great times in it. I remember a particular time driving around much of the day with my oldest son in the car. As we went to get on the freeway we started around the corner heading up an onramp. Here around Seattle we have so much traffic that the onramps like this will have 2 lanes for normal traffic, that can be metered during rush hour, and one lane to the left for carpools. They all converge into one lane before hitting the freeway. This particular Saturday they were not metered and as we rounded the corner heading up the onramp I realized two things.

1. This clump of cars in front of us was cramping our style, and

2. We were a carpool!!

I twitched the steering wheel to the left and got on it in 1st gear. Wound it close to redline and hit second and as the tires broke loose and we started to drift a little my sons eyes got about as big as saucers. Wound it out in 2nd, hit 3rd and it was all over as we passed 7 cars without them even knowing what hit them (like it was a race or something...). As his eyes went from saucers to smile creases in the corners I knew he had seen the real potential of these cars and the brute of the 455HO engine. Made my day and then some.

That was, of course, just one example. There were many other times where it was just as fun/thrilling as riding a roller coaster, but being at the wheel.

I have to give the granddaughter the same experience. She turns 4 today so I have a little time left before she'll be ready for her ride. No child car seats....Lol. She actually hangs with me in the garage more now than the boys ever did.

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How about GM's supplier(s) for control arm bushings? Could there have been multiple suppliers of these for "F" bodies as there was for "A" bodies?
Here's some eBay ads with both Harris SilentBloc and General Tire bushings in one ad and Harris in a couple of others. Just some examples.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-73-74-75...a7409b&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-72-73-74...97cce8&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-73-74-75...e40fd9&vxp=mtr

331283 6.170 All F BUSHING (front) 2 1970 1975 6-3

335899 6.170 All F BUSHING (rear) 2 1970 1975 6-3

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