[GTOGEORGE]

Theres only a few Pontiacs (NA or PA) out there racing that are making more then 1,500 HP. This is only a Bracket type engine (thats a lot for that type of engine) like mine, its being built to stay together.........the Racer that is having KRE build it for him ONLY wants around 1,500 HP, its not a balls out heads up or Top Sportsmen type race engine. Customer wants customer gets! 1,500 hp is a lot!


GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by twooldgoats

"stands out" and "not a big deal" are not equivalent, as I have discovered from experience. My engine doesn't stand out, but building it was a big deal and I don't like to see it minimized.



Jim

Jim,
I am sorry if my select of words offended you.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Theres only a few Pontiacs (NA or PA) out there racing that are making more then 1,500 HP. This is only a Bracket type engine (thats a lot for that type of engine) like mine, its being built to stay together.........the Racer that is having KRE build it for him ONLY wants around 1,500 HP, its not a balls out heads up or Top Sportsmen type race engine. Customer wants customer gets! 1,500 hp is a lot!


GTO George

Yes I have been selective in that quote. Can you name anyone over 1400 HP N/A.

Just how many is a few. I could list double digit power adder door car that showed 1500 HP or more from their weight and et.

Stan

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Yes I have been selective in that quote. Can you name anyone over 1400 HP N/A.

Just how many is a few. I could list double digit power adder door car that showed 1500 HP or more from their weight and et.

Stan

That are racing now.....not in Pontiacs life time......LOL!
I don't understand why YOU or ANYONE else is knocking his 1,500 hp its what HE the owner of the heads and engine wants...it may only take 18 lbs of boost to do it (or less). I think you or anyone else are a piece of sh_t for criticizing why he wants. The guy will have the only Hemi Pontiac racing at the Pontiac race and you know what he may not want to go as quick as 1,500 hp takes him, he my only run 10 lbs of boost.....its his car and engine.
FYI it'll still make more HP then 95% of Pontiacs out there!!

GTO George


GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

That are racing now.....not in Pontiacs life time......LOL!
I don't understand why YOU or ANYONE else is knocking his 1,500 hp its what HE the owner of the heads and engine wants...it may only take 18 lbs of boost to do it (or less). I think you or anyone else are a piece of sh_t for criticizing why he wants. The guy will have the only Hemi Pontiac racing at the Pontiac race and you know what he may not want to go as quick as 1,500 hp takes him, he my only run 10 lbs of boost.....its his car and engine.
FYI it'll still make more HP then 95% of Pontiacs out there!!

GTO George


GTO George

Just a quick list of 9 I am sure other can / will add to it.
Bulter
Big Chief
Jim
Brian H
Billy / Tony
Jack P
Ed Page
Tommy Y
Derrick Ford

Stan

[Stuart]

There's no reason that every discussion in the Race section has to deteriorate into a petty argument, and I get tired of having to watch for posts that need to be deleted. Calm down, everyone.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Just a quick list of 9 I am sure other can / will add to it.
Bulter
Big Chief
Jim
Brian H
Billy / Tony
Jack P
Ed Page
Tommy Y
Derrick Ford

Stan

I made a list that wasn’t the chit list!

[ponjohn]

How bad do the opposing valves limit the camshaft?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by ponjohn

How bad do the opposing valves limit the camshaft?

One would need to need some details about the heads design. If memory services me on the Chrysler 426 on some Big Crane Roller cams we had to reduce the exhaust valve size.

Stan

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

One would need to need some details about the heads design. If memory services me on the Chrysler 426 on some Big Crane Roller cams we had to reduce the exhaust valve size.

Stan

So, does the combustion chamber shape and plug location make up for the cam / valve limitation?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by ponjohn

So, does the combustion chamber shape and plug location make up for the cam / valve limitation?

Like I said one really need to see the head / design. The 426 Hemi combustion chamber was pretty much a half a sphere. Later Chrysler came out with the D4 Head where the valve incline angles were reduced and the combustion chamber was smaller. This was the head used on 500 ci Hemi ProStocker until they went B1. The valves did not get as close during overlap and you did not need as hugh a dome to get higher CR.

Stan

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Like I said one really need to see the head / design. The 426 Hemi combustion chamber was pretty much a half a sphere. Later Chrysler came out with the D4 Head where the valve incline angles were reduced and the combustion chamber was smaller. This was the head used on 500 ci Hemi ProStocker until they went B1. The valves did not get as close during overlap and you did not need as hugh a dome to get higher CR.

Stan

Interesting stan...I work with a BAE engine... we switched from a BAE stainless rocker to a T&D aluminum rocker..... do you know why?
Tell us all? You seem to be all knowing In the ra ing world.

[Stan Weiss]

Scott,
While we may have used a KB block or 2 a lot was from Chrysler. All of the engines were N/A must carb but a couple with the early hilborn injection. First there was the single plug street head and then the dual plug head. Also the hemi 2 inch valve gear. Then the D4 I talked about. So no idea about BAE stuff. Did you run the "FAT head"?

Stan

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Interesting stan...I work with a BAE engine... we switched from a BAE stainless rocker to a T&D aluminum rocker..... do you know why?
Tell us all? You seem to be all knowing In the ra ing world.

Interesting i would like to know, flex a benefit in that application?

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Scott,
While we may have used a KB block or 2 a lot was from Chrysler. All of the engines were N/A must carb but a couple with the early hilborn injection. First there was the single plug street head and then the dual plug head. Also the hemi 2 inch valve gear. Then the D4 I talked about. So no idea about BAE stuff. Did you run the "FAT head"?

Stan

Yes, it's a fathead engine...it runs a Hammer blower and looking to run a Procharger....
Pro chargers are running .2 quicker and making big mph over the best roots style blowers..screws are banned...

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Interesting i would like to know, flex a benefit in that application?

Willing to answer but I don't understand your question Brian?

[Scott Roberts]

When I say the best blower, I'm talking about the 25k for the blower and hat..

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Interesting stan...I work with a BAE engine... we switched from a BAE stainless rocker to a T&D aluminum rocker..... do you know why?
Tell us all? You seem to be all knowing In the ra ing world.

We had aluminum intake rockers on the nitro engine and they started to fatigue and break after awhile. Switched to steel and problem solved.

If aluminum rockers are an advantage in your BAE, just understand that they may need periodic replacement before you reach the fatigue limit.

Eric

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Elarson

We had aluminum intake rockers on the nitro engine and they started to fatigue and break after awhile. Switched to steel and problem solved.

If aluminum rockers are an advantage in your BAE, just understand that they may need periodic replacement before you reach the fatigue limit.

Eric

There I a major benefit to going with the T&D rockers over the BAE steel ones...
It has nothing to do with the material.... it's a design issue...
BAE rockers don't oil on a cold start... we have to literally oil the rockers if the engine is cold...
Putt the covers and oil... t&d has figured it out... no need for cold oiling...
The BAE rockers work only off of splash..
Been that way for 25 years..
Recently changed but the t&d 's were only 6k for 2 sets...

[Scott Roberts]

So stan... you're a numbers guy... we have been a 3.78 @ 198.... what's the h.p. .... that's at 2350lbs...