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69 GTO engine unit number stamping
Has anyone seen an engine unit number as sloppy as this one? Framington Mass. built car. Restamp?
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That's pathetic!
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My guess is a forgery would look way better.
Although it does almost look like there are grinding marks ... but why forge the unit number ... the code is the important part. |
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Looks like first digit "1" is upside down. I know its the engine unit # but do those numbers match the last digits of the VIN?
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Lack of gang stamping for sure. I'd like to see the partial VIN stamp.
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you will see the sloppy work on the early SD engines and the ra 5 engines but for a WT ????
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The VIN number is stamped lower down on the block. Same side as the unit number. |
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Friday build.....
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Or a long weekend build on a monday morning..
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That looks very obviously ground down to me. The sanding marks are nearly visible even before you enlarge the photo!
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Greg Reid Palmetto, Georgia |
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Was wondering if they just stamped there, not knowing it was in another location.
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Greg, since the numbers are so badly stamped .... wonder if the factory ground off the "first try" because they were even worse (new guy on the line?), obviously they don't want to trash a block because of the numbers.
Looks ground to me too ... but why forge a unit number, it's pretty much meaningless. Photo below showing top yellow circle, UNIT number and block letter code. Lower yellow circle, location of VIN stamp. |
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Also ... that unit number and code looks very crisp.
If the engine is supposed to be original to the car ... boy I'd want to see the VIN stamp for sure. ( I'm curious ... is it possible to mill .030" off the engine front surface of a Pontiac V8 without causing any unusual problems or obvious visual cues?) |
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How’s this?
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Well, the font looks a bit different. I have no idea if fonts were consistent from plant to plant.
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I can't imagine why unless it was someone that thought that was where the partial VIN goes. Back when I bought my '68 (from a Chevy guy) he told me that the engine VIN did not match the car so a non matching engine. When I got it, I found that it did, in fact, match...he was looking at the EUN.
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This one is pretty bad.
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When it comes to RA IV stuff ... jeez, who knows, not me, I've never even seen one. I don't even know if they came off the regular engine line. |
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Am not sold on the font of the stamping of the 0's on the above WY coded block. To make a further judgement, would will need to examine a good amt of original '69 Pontiac blocks, I have a few '69 428's & can examine in the next month several '69 350's & 400's.
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Maybe someone found a WT block for the car and stamped the last six numbers of the VIN there because he thought that the EUN was the VIN. I wouldn't be surprised if the VIN on that car ends with 165749. My experience is that while assembly plant VIN stamps down below vary greatly from plant to plant and even car to car from the same plant. But the EUN and engine code look all the same regardless of assembly plant. Makes sense since they were probably all stamped by a machine as part of the machining process at the home plant foundry.
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