[jpg69bird]

Hopefully, this is the right forum to ask questions on PHS documents. I am looking for a 70 TA and am a little confused when reading the documentation. Since the auto trans was a n/c option in 70, should it be listed on the PHS? If I see a PHS without a line item for an auto trans, is it safe to assume that it is a 4 speed car? Would I have to ask for the window sticker to verify?

Thanks in advance.

John

[RamAir]

Originally Posted by jpg69bird

Hopefully, this is the right forum to ask questions on PHS documents. I am looking for a 70 TA and am a little confused when reading the documentation. Since the auto trans was a n/c option in 70, should it be listed on the PHS? If I see a PHS without a line item for an auto trans, is it safe to assume that it is a 4 speed car? Would I have to ask for the window sticker to verify?

Thanks in advance.

John

The block 2 digit code is the way to determine the transmission type

[jpg69bird]

Thanks ramair, but it does not have its original motor. I know to look for the WS and the YZ. I am looking at this long distance right now. Before I call the seller, I want to get as much info as possible.

[johnta1]

I don't think it will show any tranny preference on the PHS for the TA.
If it has a console on the PHS, it may be more likely to have a TH400 in it.
But, that's not a guarantee.

What does the seller say it has?

[jpg69bird]

Thanks John,

The seller is listing it as an auto. Though, there is no trans called out on the PHS. If it was a 4 speed, I'd rather not let him know. He'll add a couple of thousand to the price.

[jpg69bird]

Then, would that mean, once the original engine is taken out, there wouldn't be any way to know what the trans was?

[RamAir]

Originally Posted by jpg69bird

Then, would that mean, once the original engine is taken out, there wouldn't be any way to know what the trans was?

Not unless there's documentation like a buildsheet, original dealer bill of sale, etc.

[johnta1]

Not without looking at the car itself or as ramair said if just by documents.

I believe the standard transmission for the TA was the 4 speed, with the TH400 available.

[jpg69bird]

Thanks johnta1. The 4 speed was standard and the auto was a no charge option in the TA only. The phs wouldn't show a charge for the auto, so it isn't so easy to determine from pictures on a website.

[Formulabruce]

A PQ code Turbo 400 Auto would be a nice find in there if its an Auto...

[keith k]

Right - PHS won't tell you. If it's missing the original engine, the best thing would be a transmission with the car's VIN (and as Bruce said, if it's an auto car, it would be a PQ trans). Also, if the original tunnel is there, a 4-speed car has the big doghouse. An auto car just has a tunnel with a small hole cut in it. If someone converted an original 4-speed car into an auto, the tunnel would not look like that of a factory auto trans car without some really good cosmetic surgery.

[70RAlll]

Easy way to tell. Ask for the vin that is stamped on the tranny. Auto and manual trannys had partial vins stamped on them. I am out of country presently so cannot look at my records, but I thought 71 was the year trannys were not listed on the invoice sheet?? Thought 70's had tranny listed?? probably wrong, but the vin will tell you pretty quickly. Located on drivers side of tranny.

[johnta1]

Thought 70's had tranny listed??

Looked at majority of the TA PHS pics I have and none have the tranny listed.

Here's one of each:

WS manual transmission




YZ TH400 TA

[70RAlll]

I have two Firebird PHS's that show the trannys.One is an Espirit the other is a Formula 400. One shows " 4 SP CLO TRA" code 358 the other shows "Turbo/Hyd" code 359 . I have tried 2x to scan and each time my scans are 500-850 kb, too large to upload due to PY's limit of 300 kb.. Not going to spend time trying to resize, but I know that these two 1970's PHS show the tranny. I cannot find the RAIV's or my 1970 TA's PHS's that I have here right now, but pretty sure my 70 had Turbo/Hyd like the Espirit PHS I have..Will find it later..

[johnta1]

The other Birds would have the tranny on it.
The Trans Am had the manual tranny as standard with the auto being no charge. (so no listing on PHS)

So the Esprit, Formula and base Firebird should have the tranny spelled out in the PHS.
(unless it is the standard tranny that came with it)



Would like to see the PHS on TA though.

[keith k]

Originally Posted by johnta1

The other Birds would have the tranny on it.
The Trans Am had the manual tranny as standard with the auto being no charge. (so no listing on PHS)

So the Esprit, Formula and base Firebird should have the tranny spelled out in the PHS.
(unless it is the standard tranny that came with it)



Would like to see the PHS on TA though.

X2
Bill,
No 70 T/A will show the transmission on the invoice. They were all no cost options, although choosing the M21 required the performance axle ratio and HD radiator, which on some cars show up as extra cost on the invoice. But the trans won't show.

Every other Bird that has something other than a 3-speed manual will show it on the invoice. For example, any Formula with a 4-speed, or the TH400, will show it on the invoice because they were extra cost options over the base 3-speed manual.

[70RAlll]

Keith..

found my folder with my TA PHS's and my comment on the tranny was wrong.. I was out of town when I initially posted on this thread and for who knows why..I just knew 70's listed trannys and 71's did not..