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WIW question 1970 WS engine
I was wondering what the current market is for a strong running 1970 WS engine with its original 12 heads all pulleys and brackets Non original intake carb and distributor (all aftermarket)
Its a Pontiac plant block and if you 70 A body Ram Air 3 car ends in 9_ 7 please reach out I have your engine WS short blocks seem to be selling for 2000-2500 range 12 heads in 1500 area Here in Ontario we are looking at approx 3500 for machine work and parts Thanks for your opinion |
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Think WS is for a '70 350hp 400 with manual transmission.
Hopefully has a steel timing chain pulley. |
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I think you need to put your glasses on Padgett WS is Ram Air 3 You are thinking WT
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That's what I get for going from memory. Thanks for the correction. Correct WT is 400 4bbl man trans, WS is RA, WW is RA IV. Those that begin with Y (and XP) are for automagics.
I still like a 744 cam but is not correct for 1970. |
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I put a 744 cam in my '70 YZ engine... music to my ears!
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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sorry to hijack the thread, but on a similar note--
anybody got an idea on a 1970 "YC" 455? its weird, has a big cast "N" on gun drilled crank, 4 bolt mains, according to our local pontiac 'expert' ( according to him at least...? ) its a one of 7 correct for 1970 gto judge 455 or low hundreds production hurst grand prix sj 455's.... i dunno though. it does have a YC and the driver side front of block says 455. had auto flywheel on it. |
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70 GTO 455 engines coded YA/YC are much more common than the info you are getting... YA early, YC late in the production year. The GTO 455 manual transmission WA coded block is harder to find, IMO. Value is WYCG, of course there are some absolutely ridiculous asking prices out there on the Internet.
The same application automatic big valve 455 engine was coded XF in GrandPrixs & big Pontiacs, have had a bunch of '70 XF's, nearly all pulled out of too far gone '70 GP SJ's.
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Buzzards gotta eat... same as worms. |
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ok thanks, i just never seen the gun drilled "N" crank before and ive done more than a few 400/455 pontiacs. |
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""could be"" from one of the (14 or 17 ?) 1970 455 Judges iirc 11 Hardtops and 3 Convertibles - its a documented number but it escapes me at the moment and i don't want to dig it up right now. All of them were YC Code Automatics Only 1 of those cars have been documented - a Convertible. You could get the PHS using the VIN from the block and find out for sure. If your friend is a gambling man - make a bet with him for who pays for the PHS. It wouldn't be from a GP or Fullsize (XF code) It will be from a 70 GTO .... maybe a Judge There were thousands of 455 YC Code GTO's in 1970 ( at least 2 or 3 thousand , if not more) . Also a documented number i dont want to dig up right now. It would be INCREDIBLE to document another 1970 455 Judge |
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ahso...i wonder if this is one of those "not original but "technically correct" deals, like you find a 70 454 vette with no engine, then find a 70 454 that though isnt 'matching #'s', codes as 'correct' for a 1970 vette....... might have to try that PHS documentation, if it IS one of those weird ones it would be worth finding out. however, i "think" this one was originally pulled from a 70 GP 455 sj hurst edition, i still have the weird 'hidden hurst' auto shifter (push 1-2-3 at 45 degree towards passenger headlight and it ratchets. ) from the same car. or was it a different one... i dunno, been 30+ years so its kinda fuzzy..... |
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also, just pulled this off another pontiac site...
"the 1970 455 is the only year high compression 455, in a full size pontiac, the 4bbl horsepower was a stock 360 horses, in a gto, it was 370 horses. the motor is worth it's weight in gold. don't pass it up." charles coker, 1953 pontiac tech advisor. |
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He accidentally got his HP numbers backwards.
It was 360 in the GTO even if it had the RamAir option with it. 370 in Fullsize & GP = XF Block Code i think the base Fullsize 455 code YH with 15 heads was rated 360 Those shifters were standard in all 70 GTO's with Automatic&Console Probably standard in all 70 GP's too, with Auto&Console. 3-2-1 in faint numbers on pass side of console bezel NOT busting your balls on that stuff, just updating your software a little but. 2227 GTO's with YA & YC / 64 heads Engines (Automatics) YA was dropped pretty early, so more YC's than YA's most likely. YA was dropped somewhere around Nov-Dec 1969 build dates. It's another one of those "dont want to dig it up right now" factoids. All the GP's would have been XF/64 heads - per factory install |
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Last edited by Mr_GTO; 08-02-2021 at 04:58 PM. |
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I am confident that many Judges had their "plain old 400" replaced for a "better 455" over the years.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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as im usually the guy on the top, sometimes it DOES matter...
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too funny.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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All of the 1970 455 Judges were Automatics , but some of them may have been early enough to had YA code engines - instead of YC code. With only 1 known documented example - there is no way to know for sure. medium grade brainfart on my part Quote:
Hope he lived to tell about it . |
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Super Sharp looking 70 !
Someone is definitely proud to own that one |
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Front fender eyebrows on wrong sides?
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It was a correct 455...codes, heads, 12 bolt, etc.
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