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Old 11-18-2013, 11:37 PM
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It will be an E cam. I'm starting this engine with a used but good 1bbl cam, then I'll swap in a new E cam and followers. This engine is also bored .030 over. I know the previous measurement was gross, but

Working for me:
I have removed the water pump drag and will hopefully have better air fuel distribution with the EFI, tighter timing control, hopefully can give it good timing with the reverse flow cooling and I plan on putting some decent valve springs in it to "bump" the rpm limit up some.

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What exhaust were you using? Headers? If so those would likely be more efficient than my setup. Also, this engine was thoroughly used and I simply pulled it apart, looked, and reassembled, so the valve seats and rings are plenty worn though I honed the cylinder walls and lapped the valves, there is no guarantee either will help or the rings will seat again.

I'm thinking I'll probably get the car chassis dyno'd in spring just to satisfy my curiosity. Might have EGT sensors on each port by then too to further attempt to dial in the fueling. Of course the wheel HP will be less than flywheel, but it should still be interesting. I can lock the converter for the dyno run too.

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Old 11-18-2013, 11:51 PM
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Yes, I was using Clifford shorty headers with the water pump and alternator. I found out that my engine started nosing over at 5000 rpm and it was not the valve springs. The stock H cam is really are not that big of a grind. These Sprints could use more cam in my opinion!

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I have a re-ground cam that is set up for when I build my "good" engine for the turbo that has a bit more lift and duration than the H. You've seen my exhaust system, not exactly high tech, but less restrictive than the OE setup. I've removed the back pressure plate as well. My turbo engine will also have a custom intake manifold with equal length runners.

Did you try using your adjustable sprocket to retard the cam any? That is supposed to drive the powerband up. It's a trade off of course, you'd lose bottom end power but gain peak and some upper rpm. Its something I am considering trying (I have one of your sprockets if you recall). With my 4.56 gears it might be something I try if I think it's nosing over to soon as I shouldn't have any low rpm issues.

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Actually, my numbers were best at 3 degrees retarded. I ran out of dyno time, but probably could have gotten a bit better numbers if I would have retarded the cam more. The engine wanted more cam!

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That's good to know! I'd stick the biggest cam I can find in mine, if I can just find a bigger one!

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Had start up today!

Here is a video of it going. YouTube made it fuzzier, but you can still get an idea of what is going on. The smoke around the fill tube is mostly the oil burning off from when the return tube popped out of the side hole. I still haven't decided exactly how I'm going to affix the return line to the tube. Rev's pretty good considering there is not throttle position sensor and isn't tuned very well. In this video I hadn't gotten to checking/calibrating the timing, and when I did it was 8* retarded from what is displated on the screen. It gets a bit warm, but with hardly any tune and almost no air flow on the radiator, I can't complain too much, it seemed to cool off once I got the timing and fueling squared away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlwdR...Jo4BJ5Am4jH-sA



Here is a video of starting it up and then the exhaust with the Summit universal muffler, a mystery Flowmaster muffler and then uncorked. It's not as loud as I would expect uncorked, but then again this is the small 1bbl cam in it.

Still needs some tuning work. I can't tell if the smoke is fuel, oil or condensation from it being 32*F out. I re-used the piston rings in it, so I wouldn't be entirely shocked if it's oil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vxt...Jo4BJ5Am4jH-sA

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Sounds very good! It will sound louder with more compression and cam. Best of luck on the project!

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Thanks! Next wildcard is how well did I re-assemble the 200-4r I'm putting behind it!

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Installed the engine in the car today. I used the Ford brackets to lift the engine (http://sohcsix.yuku.com/topic/3103/A...e#.Upfsu8TqkzI). The first lift try one of the brackets started bending, so I set it back down and ran the chain through both loops on each bracket and it was good from there. Was fairly level and straight even.

The scariest part of all engine installs.


Safely in!


Lots of room on the sides compared to a V8. A turbo is going to look good on the passengerside there :yes:


This is pretty organized for me. I need to set the radiator in the see where I'll mount the electric water pump. Now that I've installed the engine, I can see I have more than enough room that on my good engine I won't drill the head for the external oil pressure regulator, I will certainly use the oil plug at the rear of the head.


The intake/exhaust side. I need to get a universal throttle cable that will reach the new location. I will still likely get a steel pulley wheel to support the 90* bend to the firewall. Likewise for the TV transmission cable. Oh, my exhaust system interfered with the motor mount, so I had to trim one of the catches off the motor mount that is there if the rubber separates. So I also used the old racer trick of drilling a hole through the motor mount to run a bolt with a lock nut at the other end, but not snugged up to the mount to keep the mount from separating.


After getting the engine in I pushed the car forward and now it waits to get the transmission installed.

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And this showed up the other day =D

It sits a little far forward here because the back of the console doesn't fit between the backs of the seats, but I'll solve that.


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Oh, I can update this from last weekend.

Welded a nipple to the oil fill tube and re-painted it. Was interesting when it caught fire. I expected the oil to catch fire, what I didn't expect was it set up an airflow that had a jet of fire out one end and even sounded like a jet. Dropped it in a bucket of water I had ready for it when it lit up more than I was comfortable with.

Installed the engine in the car as well. I used the Ford brackets to lift the engine (http://sohcsix.yuku.com/topic/3103/A...e#.Upfl0MTqkzI). The first lift try one of the brackets started bending, so I set it back down and ran the chain through both loops on each bracket and it was good from there. Was fairly level and straight even.

The scariest part of all engine installs.


Safely in!


Lots of room on the sides compared to a V8, but you guys know that ;-) A turbo is going to look good on the passengerside there.


This is pretty organized for me. I need to set the radiator in the see where I'll mount the electric water pump. Now that I've installed the engine, I can see I have more than enough room that on my good engine I won't drill the head for the external oil pressure regulator, I will certainly use the oil plug at the rear of the head.


The intake/exhaust side. I need to get a universal throttle cable that will reach the new location. I will still likely get a steel pulley wheel to support the 90* bend to the firewall. Likewise for the TV transmission cable. Oh, my exhaust system interfered with the motor mount, so I had to trim one of the catches off the motor mount that is there if the rubber separates. So I also used the old racer trick of drilling a hole through the motor mount to run a bolt with a lock nut at the other end, but not snugged up to the mount to keep the mount from separating.


After getting the engine in I pushed the car forward to get the transmission installed.


Spent half the day working on the center console and installing the shifter. Should be good to go now. I modified the rear of the console to fit between the seats. It is close enough.


Painted it black so it wouldn't contrast so much with the interior. It is all bolted in and the cable attached.


Here is a short video of what fun I expect to have. Yes I've sat there making engine noises for a while =D The transmission isn't installed yet.
http://youtu.be/2oXdv86PZoI

Got the transmission in and bolted up. I don't think the crossmember that came with the car was an original TH400 crossmember as it appeared to have been modified in the past, so I further modified it. I cut the mounting bracket off and re-welded it on in a place and notched the backside to add clearance around the transmission pan. I hooked up the shifter cable and adjusted it as well. The dipstick tube is ready to be installed, but I couldn't get the rubber plug out of the transmission, so I'll have to wait until I drop the pan to change out the governor gear and verify the adjustment of the TV cable, and then I'll pop it out from the bottom. I need to bend up some cooling lines now. One issue I have is the universal TV cable I got is too short by about six inches, and it was the longest cable I could find. I have an idea on how to lengthen it.

I need to set the car on the ground and measure out what length I'll need for the driveshaft. I have two to pick from to shorten.



Installed the TV correction cable bracket for Holley carburetors to the throttle linkage. I will adjust the cable once I lengthen the cable housing (assuming I'm successful). I'll tie the throttle wide open and drop the transmission pan and adjust the cable so the valve is pushed all the way in.

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What Cadillac starter did you use and is it the same dimensions as the original I am looking for something smaller than the stock one without loosing any cranking power

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I used a spare NAPA stock Buick 455 starter motor. I had a timing problem last spring on one of my 455's and cracked two nose cones, but the shafts appeared to still be straight and were collecting dust in the corner of my shop. So I bought an OHC nose cone off Jeff (Hamlin?) and installed it on the Buick starter motor. The motor itself is a hair larger than the stock OHC one, less than 1/4" bigger in overall diameter, so the opposite of what you are going for.

I don't know how any of the aftermarket small hi-torque starters will work. Some of them have a crap ton of adjustments on mounting block though. Considering some don't run any nose cone at all, a regular aftermarket GM issue one might work just fine on the OHC. Just do like you should for any aftermarket starter and check the tooth interference and have it shimmed accordingly so it doesn't grind or eat stuff.

You can see it's a big bastard in this picture.

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Can be adapted, you will need to fab the mounting hardware.
All thread could be used if you can't locate longer bolts.
I've not had to do this but have seen it.

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Got some more done today. Installed the throttle cable and TV trans cable. I welded on a bracket to the throttle cable bracket to help support the throttle cable's 90* turn. There is still some play in the cable so shouldn't tug on it with engine movement. I solved the "too short" TV cable by getting some very stiff walled fuel hose (high nylon content?) that one end of the TV cable housing would slide tightly into and with a few hose clamps successfully extended the line casing. I had the pan off the transmission and adjusted the TV cable for the appropriate WOT position. I also installed a green 10-tooth speedo gear on the governor to get the speedo closer to accurate (still a ways off).

Then I installed the transmission dipstick tube, which ended up way taller than I expected. So I cut it down, which that part turned out good, then I "thought" I'd get fancy and when I cut the dipstick down I thought I'd cut the bottom off with the Fill hatch marking and then weld it to the bottom of the further trimmed dipstick so it'd read correctly. It was all good right up until the part where I welded it and the dipstick got super brittle. D'oh! So I need to pick up a new dipstick but when I modify it next time I'm going to overlap the lengths and drill two holes and rivet it. For now, the short stick will keep dust out of the tube =P And then I set the car on the ground to get a measurement for the driveshaft and by some miracle my old Skylark driveshaft is the EXACT size I needed. I picked up a new set of u-joints and will install it tomorrow which will be the real proof.

I started mocking up the exhaust as well. I still have to cut out the section of pipe where the X used to reside and do final fabricating of the collector to the rest of the system, but it's essentially in. I'm going to order up some 2.5" exhaust couplers before I go any further than I did today.


The throttle cable and TV cable hooked up and adjusted. I painted the bracket black after grinding the plating off the bracket for welding on the support. You can see one of the hose clamps and extension hose on the TV cable in the background.




The no bueno dipstick tube.


Much better. Even bolted to the bellhousing bolt.


The exhaust system. Here is the collector hanging down. The 400 engine had headers and the ball and socket coupler. I'm tempted to keep a 3-bolt flange there for quick removal. Haven't decided yet.


Looking down the car. It's up on jack stands so the axle is hanging low. You can see the hole from the X pipe.


From the side.


I put the car on the ground to measure the driveshaft, and took a picture from the rear.


Here is a picture of one of the motor mounts I ran bolts through. I used bumper bolts with the small head on the bottom and used all metal locking nuts on the top. I didn't run the nuts all the way down, they are about 1/16th of an inch from being seated to allow normal movement of the mount. I didn't have to do this to this mount since I didn't modify it, but by the time I 'thought' about it I had already drilled it. I cut half the safety catch off the other side to clear my exhaust collector, hence why I felt the need to do this.


And here are a couple shots of my saw blade trigger wheel in the car. Conveniently the bottom is protected by the cross member.




Just moving along.

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Hmm, I hadn't updated this in a while, but progress has been going. Started it up yesterday for the first time in the car even.

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Been doing some minor work. Probably the last update for a few weeks. Leaving town for a week then the country for a couple weeks.

Installed the driveshaft and buttoned up the exhaust system. Still not a fan of welding upwards. I seem to have lost the clips that connect the parking brake cables. I'll pick some up later.


Next up, I put the car back on the ground and started on the interior. I pulled the Grant steering wheel off and have an okay shape OE Pontiac one to install. While it was off I have decided to change the turn signal switch. I cannot remember if the blinkers worked when I drove it home (I think it did..) but the horn piece needed to be replaced and part of the turn signal switch was cracked. I got one from the parts store, but the plug did not match, so I'll get back to it.

Pulled the dash out and removed the hacked non-OE wiring. I think the speedo cable is going out the wrong hole in the firewall, so I'll correct that before re-installation. I'm going to do some re-wiring of my own though, I'm going to wire the Temp and Gen idiot lights to the MegaSquirt to come on at specified settings (like 195*F and 12.5v). I haven't decided about the Oil light, but the MegaSquirt has a "Check Engine" like option now, and I might wire that into the Oil idiot light. I'll be running an electric oil pressure gauge to watch that manually, though I might wire in some pressure sensors into the external oil pressure system, main pressure system and fuel pressure, and program any of those to turn on the check engine light if they go outside pre-determined settings.


Check out the two old flasher relays and the OE clutch pedal neutral safety switch.


Set the dash off to the side for some clean up and modifications.


The backside. Relatively clean.


The heater control cables are trashed, so I'll have to come up with some new ones. I'll clean this up and grease it up good.


And some of my modifications. Added a switch panel and an updated radio (that was collecting dust in the corner). The switch on the left is a starterI switch, so the three switches on the left will be: Starter, high pressure fuel pump, and MegaSquirt. The remaining switches I haven't settled on but one will probably be a water pump and radiator fan ON by-pass. I'll still have the ignition key provide power and the starter switch go through the neutral safety switch. Those are circuit breakers under the switches.


That's going to be it for a good while.
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Back at this.

Cut down a new transmission dipstick. Using the trick a friend of mine used for a locking transmission dipstick tube I knocked the rivets out of the latch to re-attach when I cut some length off the top. Unfortunately after searching two hardware stores and two auto parts stores I couldn't not find the correct sized rivets So I simply took a regular 1/8" rivet and cut the end off and ran it through the holes and l added a shot of super glue just because.

The top removed from the new dipstick.


The finished product.


Close up view. It's wrapped through two holes.


And installed.



I ordered the heater cables from Summit for $40 and they are quite a bit longer than the original cables which may present an issue. Tomorrow I'll try and hook them up completely and if the length causes issues I'll pull them back out, clip the end off, shorten the casing, trim the cable as needed, then re-loop the ends. If I trim the casing in the middle I'll be able maintain the attaching points.

I removed the control assembly and hosed it down with a fair amount of brake clean and wiped it down from there the best I could. Then gave it a heavy coating of anti-seize and a light spray of silicon spray. I also sprayed some of the silicon spray into the cable housings.


I spent some time making sure a pile of things behind the dash were back to proper. The speedo cable went out the wrong hole in the firewall so I corrected that, the wiring harness wasn't looped into any of the brackets, etc. I painted the cigarette lighter trim with chrome paint, which looks marginally better than the flaking off chrome and yellow it was.


I installed the new vent ball on the drivers side that came with the car as well as the new Head Light switch trim ring and lever/knob. The other trouble I've ran into has been with the turn signal switch. I've gotten three different ones and on all of them the plug would not plug into the car's harness. The connectors are spaced slightly different causing problems. So I kept one and am going to pull the pins out of the connectors and use my old connector housing. Planning on installing it tomorrow.
January 18, 2014
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In case you run into this problem with your old cars, the fix it pretty straight forward. I got three different turn signal switches from two different parts stores and none of the plugs would fit my connector, the pin spacing was off just a hair, but enough to keep it from working. So I decided to simply swap the connectors. They make a star shaped tool that is supposed to make it super easy to depress the locking tab to pull the pin, and while I'm positive I own one somewhere I could not find it, so a small watch screw driver did the trick in it's place. The tab is just on one side and after I got the first pin out it was easy to tell which side of the pin the tab was on. The OE switch had the pins installed in some random order that required paying attention, the new switch had all the tabs on one side.

Simple to stick the screw driver into the little hole above the pin, lift slightly and pull the wire and the pin slides right out.



The new one is ready to go. Cost something like $25. It has three extra wires for "corner lights", but they'll just sit unused on the harness. The one with out corner lights was $7 more and the plug still didn't fit, so I went with the cheaper alternative. Flip side is down the road if I go to a full digital dash cluster like the Skylark I can take two MS3 inputs and wire the extra pins to the MS3 for the turn signal lights, where currently on the Skylark I used LED's in place of the OE light bulbs due to space constraints with the LCD screen. I won't have that cover on the Firebird so it would be better integrated into the screen (like the parking brake light is on the Skylark).
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The problem with making the engine harness outside the car is sometimes it comes up short =/ It'll work for now, but ideally another 8" or so would be better to bring the connectors all the way to the passenger side. Where they are now should be fine, but I think when I swap in the turbo motor down the road I may lengthen it.

I still need to add the grommets, but one of the connectors connects right behind the head and the other is just under the wiper motor. Both connectors wouldn't fit behind the head at the same time, who'd a thunk? =P


I think I'll mount the megasquirt on the heater box like in the Skylark. The only thing holding it in place right here is the drop light, so there is some room for movement. I may move it to the trans hump in front of the console.


Small area to run the wires through the firewall on the passenger side. I used the stock hole the blower motor wire ran out for one of the harnesses and drilled a second hole right next to it.


Then started mocking up the cooling system. I still don't know what I'm going to do with the heater hoses. I may use my engine stand radiator, but it'll require making brackets to hold it up, but it has a port for a heater hose.... I have a bolt holding the electric water pump in place on the frame that should keep it from flopping around when attached to the hoses. The two plastic (PVC?) hose connectors I used on the engine stand show deformation, from what I am guessing is from heat. They are not cracked or even appear cooked, but the tee isn't 90º and the straight reducer fitting now has a bend in it. Both look like they were cast that way, no discoloration, etc, but certainly weren't.


Messed with the hood tach tonight.

I installed a new capacitor that should convert it to a 6 cylinder tach and a new resistor to replace one that was out of specification. And as expected, my friend was right about needing an inductor to make it work properly. I found a Mega Squirt diagram that with a transistor and modified relay should make this work with the Mega Squirt's tach out signal. I've got the transistor and have modified a relay already, but want to get the assembly installed internally to the hood tach, so it will require some extra wiring to the hood tach, namely a 12v and ground wire, which I might be able to get from the light circuit if I want the lights on all the time.


And because I'm not a purist, and may even end up drilling holes in the face for Mega Squirt indicators and shift light I made my own face to cover the real rough one. Basically took a picture of the face, loaded it into power point and digitized in the lines and texts. Couldn't seem to match the Pontiac font very well, but again I'm not much of a purist.


The new and old side by side. I covered the print out with clear packing tape on both sides to protect it. Similar to what I did for the wheel center caps on the Skylark.


Somewhat put together. I gave myself a 7,000rpm redline =D
January 25, 2014. I am going to be re-doing the whole fuel system plumbing at some point when I install new fuel lines on the driver's side of the car. I am aware the fuel pressure regulator location is not NHRA legal.
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I've been working on the fuel system. After talking about it in an EFI Tech thread I decided to make a smaller surge tank and used 1" box steel about five or six inches long and welded in some nipples and capped the end. I seem to have trouble making a nice seal with the welds (more on that) and after going over the welds a few times I said screw it and got some acid core solder out and used it. So it doesn't exactly look pretty, but the flat black paint should hide it okay. I also spent a ton of time trying to set it up so both fuel pumps were back by the gas tank, but a tactical error on having the single exhaust on the passenger side made it impractical with the fuel lines from the frame and gas tank being on the passenger side. Had I used the driver's side I think I could of made it work. In any case, I think I finally got the lay out where I want it and will be bolting every thing together and will just need new rubber lines in a few places. I'm apparently just about out of steel braided so I'll have to get more at some point.

And going back to getting my welds to seal, there was a small puddle of ATF under the car this morning, and my first thought was the trans yoke wasn't sealing but it turned out to be my added drain plug. I cleaned it up and put a bit more torque on the plug but it's still seeping so I'm guessing it's going through the welds. I put 4.5 quarts of ATF in last night, so I'll drain it into a clean container (via my drain plug!) and see about sealing it with the solder since that seems to be becoming my M.O.

Here is a comparison of my new test surge tank compared to my older larger model. The hope was to install the new one at the rear of the car, but still didn't happen. It isn't pretty, but it should do and I may make a new one.


I just have the lines mocked up right there, but I have the surge tank mounted just above where the stock fuel lines come up off the frame. I am running low on braided line so I'll have to get some eventually. I may trim the regulator bracket and lower it down a bit.



I like wiring a lot more than plumbing. You can choose any color wire you want as long as it's red, pink, yellow or black Actually my electric oil pressure gauge sending wire is brown. Managed to sneak that one in.

I wired in the reverse light and neutral safety switches on the shifter as well as cut out a ton of hacked wiring under the hood. There was a lot of twisted together wires wrapped in electrical tape in the engine harness. Got it stripped down to the OE V8 harness now and will keep all the OE wiring on the left side of the engine and the only wire the OE harness will connect to the engine with will be the alternator charging wire.


The switch panel just about wired in. I need to wire in the rear electric fuel pump still, but ran short on wire, so I'll get a new spool tomorrow. There are five toggle switches, a momentary starter switch and five circuit breakers. The toggle switches have lights when on so I have a series of ground wires on the switches too. I'm leaving the keyed starter wire disconnected, or I might hook it to the horn as a joke or to surprise someone trying to start the car. One toggle switch for the MegaSquirt, one for the high pressure fuel pump, one for the low pressure pump (my Skylark fuel pumps are wired like this) and one for a 12v power socket, leaving one switch unused. I'm using the associated circuit breaker for the power to the ignition coils.


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Here is a distribution block I installed to power the whole thing. The relay is triggered by the old coil wire so it should come on with the ignition and stay on while cranking, as the main power wire feeding through the relay will come directly from the battery with a MAXI fuse on it. The yellow wires all go to the circuit breakers for the switched circuits. The pink wire there is going to the neutral safety switch on the shifter. The taped together pink and green wires are the OE reverse light wires going to the shifter's reverse light switch. I may have to upgrade the relay or run a set of relays in parallel if the amperage load becomes too high. The electric water pump, electric vacuum pump, and eventual electric fan will be ran on circuits under the hood.
February 1, 2014
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Just like when a friend of mine said I can make simple wiring complex, I've done exactly the same with the cooling system. I've been fighting this for a few days now. An engineer I ain't.

The primary hang up was finding a place for the return heater hose, so using 40 hose clamps and 32 hose connector I got a system that I think should work. I have pretty much convinced myself when I build the turbo engine I'll get a new aluminum radiator with a Menziere (sp?) pump attached to it with two 1" outlets since the two ports in the head are 1". Two hoses and done. I'll make sure the radiator has a return port for the heater hose as well. On to the mess. I've relocated the water pump behind the crossmember so I could fit in the tee for the heater hose return. So, I hope all this stuff doesn't leak!




Then I finally got to move onto the fuel system, which progressed much faster. I have a late 80's external Ford pump mounted in a late 80's Ford fuel pump bracket bolted to the firewall at an angle and mounted an OE of some sort fuel injection filter on the pressure side right before the regulator. That particular filter comes with a bracket so I bolted to the heater box, the cool fresh air side of the heater. I got the the quick connect fittings for the pump and filter from NAPA so the fuel lines are fairly easy to hook and unhook. I made a short length of nylon line from the pump to the filter, but might end up replacing it with steel braided line, but I am out of that at the moment. It's all fed by the smaller surge canister. I'm going to move the fuel pressure gauge from the rail to the regulator, and eventually add an electric fuel pressure sending unit to the rail end. Here is a similar picture.

February 8, 2014. Last Saturday.
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Okay some engine noises and movement may happen tomorrow. Test day in any case. Tomorrow morning I'll hook up the battery and watch for smoke =P and if no smoke happens I'll plug the the laptop in and make sure the megasquirt is seeing the sensors and doing megasquirt things. If that checks out then I'll fill the cooling system with water and run the pump and check for leaks. If that checks out, then at the end of the day I'll drain it and fill it with an anti-freeze mix. If the coolant system checks out then I'll pressure up the fuel system and check for leaks. If there are no leaks, then it'll be time to make engine noises! It should fire up reasonably easy if everything check's out as I did not change anything from the engine stand. I'll have to start feeding it large quantities of ATF until the cooler is full (and probably the torque converter, I added as much as I could to it before installation). I'll run it through the gears and keep checking the fluid until I'm satisfied it's full. If the transmission hasn't eaten itself by then (remember "I" rebuilt it...) then I'll put the car on the ground and back it out of the shop and consider that a great victory. Crossing my fingers as a dozen things can still go awry. I'll have to call a friend over to help me put the hood on if all is good.


I ended up abandoning the main relay under the dash and switched to a Taurus continuous duty fan relay to power the fuse box there and the power strip under the dash that has circuit breakers on each circuit.


On the other side is the gutted Caprice LT1 smog pump to use as a crank case vacuum pump. I still need a good container to use as a catch can. I'm wondering if I can make one out of a PVC tee fitting, cap with a drain plug and a valve cover breather on the top? I guess it would depend how much oil, etc it traps. For now I'm going to stick a drain pan under it to quantify what is coming out and since there is snow on the ground I have time before it sees any real road time. (I did end up putting a hose clamp on the hose at the end of the red pipe)


The only aftermarket gauge at the moment. The shifter console is way taller than the OE console so a triple set of gauges doesn't fit underneath the dash. I'll hook the temperature idiot light up to the MegaSquirt to let me know if it's getting hot (set to like 190*F or 200*F) and figure I'll do the same with the GEN light and voltage.


I set the MegaSquirt behind the center console for the time being. I may move it eventually so it's just sitting there at the moment. Maybe I'll velcro the bottom of it.... The carpet seems to have seen something that bleached the black out. Who am I to complain, the Skylark hasn't had carpet in a decade or more now so I'm just happy there is carpet.


The driver's side is a constant reminder the car used to have a stick shift. Maybe one day I'll make use of it, or not.
And yesterday's bitter sweet victory.
The highlights of today are, I heard the engine run, a couple of times, but it certainly wasn't smooth sailing. Long post warning.

Started the day pretty good. Hooked the battery up and no smoke, sparks or pops. Headlights, tail lights and dome light worked, figured I'd check the stock systems first. Then tried the key. Found my trigger wire to my relay didn't power with the key. Not a big deal, found the needed power source. Then had the megasquirt and fuel pump relay power reverse. No problem, swapped plugs moving on. Things were looking good at this point. The system powered up, the megasquirt was reading the sensors, the engine cranked when pressing the start button. Though it seems the neutral safety switch is out of adjustment as it won't crank in park, but will in neutral. Won't crank in any of the gears so it somewhat works. Problem for later. Then it started to go down hill from there....

Started working on checking the fuel system and first the lift pump wouldn't prime, so I threw 7 gallons of fresh fuel in the tank (probably needed fresh fuel anyways) and used the shop vac to blow air into the filler neck and the lift pump promptly started leaking at both ends..... After tightening up the fittings, the filter, breaking at least one hose clamp, I tossed the pump and got a new one that had the fitting built in and a new filter. Only bathed in a gallon of gas in the process *blah*. Had a minor leak at the fuel rail and ended up moving the fuel pressure gauge to the regulator. By now it was mid-afternoon so I figured I'd skip filling the cooling system with water because I'd have to promptly drain it, and proceeded right to start up :thumbs:

Started the car up a couple times for ten or so seconds at a time and topped off the transmission fluid as well as ran it through the gears (speedo works now! Didn't when I got the car), and while doing this had no problems. The engine started reasonably well and shut off when I turned the key off like it should until......... it didn't...... The big difference between when it was working fine and when it didn't was I rev'ed it up high enough to get the alternator charging, and when I turned the key off the alternator was feeding the system, but cut off from the battery because I had the charging wire on the wrong side of my master relay and then bad things started to happen. The engine didn't shut off, but didn't sound right either, and I hit the power switch to the megasquirt to kill the engine but it was too late, the damage was done. When I key'ed back on the megasquirt did not power up. I checked and the fuse was good, it had power on the wire going into it, but nothing. Took a sniff at it and it smelled burnt =/


Dragged it into the house and opened it up and yup, a few cooked parts, some obvious and some not so obvious. Using the obvious visual cue's was easy for the damaged parts, but I hooked it back up to the JimStim and started testing the power circuit to find the two bad diodes. Started testing and replacing parts until I had power at the processor pins, and turned out just to be the two diodes.

Here is an obvious exploded capacitor


And an obvious burnt out power trace. (the copper color, it's not copper and doesn't conduct)


So I started troubleshooting. The exploded capacitor is essentially the first part that is installed when building a megasquirt and is part of the power circuit. So I started there. Fortunately I have some spare parts (not that any of them are exotic, but I was able to get it going again today). I replaced these four parts. The capacitor on the top right may not be bad, but I didn't trust the way it looked compared to the good ones. The bottom two diodes were toast, no conductivity in either direction.


New capacitors installed.


A jumper wire installed in place of the cooked trace. (it doesn't look pretty, but will work and is hidden in a case!)


So I went back out and took a video after the fact =D The phone picks up the fuel pump sound more than you can actually hear it in person.
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It moves under it's own power! Shifted into second gear putt'ing around the yard, which is enough for me to say time to go get insurance and registration! A few minor things to work on today and it should be cruising this weekend!


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IT'S ABOUT TIME!

Great to see it moved.
Best of luck with road testing.

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Thanks! Road testing so far has gone well =D

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Got it insured, plated, washed and now going to swing by NAPA and trying out the MegaSquirt 3's auto-tune on the fueling. I have to get used to the manual drum brakes again =P







Took it around town. Got it running pretty good once I leaned it out enough that the auto-tune could work it's magic. The water pump controller doesn't seem to be doing it's job, so I hard wired it on with the key and will monitor it. The steering wheel isn't straight though it tracks straight... I lined it up with the notch on the column... I'm getting two new front tires on it tomorrow, so I'll see if it changes (probably not, and it didn't eat any tires driving from Alabama), then straighten the steering wheel for now and fix the tie rod adjustments later. There are no good alignment shops in Ely and if it's not eating tires now I'm not going to screw with it. The trans autoshifts smooth enough, but doesn't really wind itself up with the pedal down. Likely a governor thing, and not liking the 4.56 gears. The shifter though works like a champ! There is a bit of a delay though when I manually shift it and the shift happens, and not as harsh as I'd expect. I drilled all the holes and put all the springs in for the "harshest" shift. Maybe the 4.56 gears and converter are dampening it? IDK, more run time will tell for certain.

Never driven a car with a spool before, definitely different. I'm putting narrow tires on it all the way around so that should make the manual steering and spool easier to work with.
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Another (better) video simply showing it start up, free revving, putting the camera(phone) behind the car for some more exhaust sound. Looks like it still smokes when lifting the throttle. I'll check the valve guide seals when I go to change the valve springs in a few months. Can't really complain though considering it's a craigslist long block I just disassembled, looked at, then reassembled with new gaskets.

http://youtu.be/cS5XhYO_NWE

I worked on the external lights. Before the blinkers, the two inside tail lights, reverse lights, rear quarter lights (Firebirds) and the front two signal lights didn't work. I replaced a couple sockets, changed a few light bulbs and installed a new flasher (old one fell apart in my hands!) and managed to bring all the lights except the front two blinker/corner lights, back to life. The reverse light switch on the shifter works perfectly. The front two lights... It looks like the plug on the wiring harness was swapped out (with a Camaro's?) as both the plug and the lamp sockets are female plugs.... No chance of working that way. So I simply installed the right lamp assembly to at least bring some symmetry back to the front end. Adjusted the headlights as well, they were a bit wacky.

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To keep the high tech theme going and give you guys and update of the fancy behind the scene's things I've been doing with it the last couple days.

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Nothing picture worthy here.

I got two new front tires for it. They are narrower so they don't rub the inner fender well now when making a sharp turn.

A previous owner did not install the seat belts after installing the carpet or headliner and it bugged the crap out of me driving from Alabama, and of course yesterday it made me nervous driving around Ely, but today I fixed that. I pulled both front seats out, which each were only held in with two bolts.... and the missing two bolts like the belts had no holes in the carpet... I found where the seat belt holes were supposed to be in the carpet and headliner and made them and bolted in the belts. Got 8 new OE style bolts for the seats from NAPA and got them bolted down proper as well.

I wired in the torque converter lock up and set the megasquirt to control it. While I was at it, I ran the tach output wire to the engine bay for the hood tach.


And cool enough, all the idiot lights work when the associated wire was grounded. So I ran a megasquirt output wire to each (Nitrous 1, Nitrous 2 and VVT since I don't intend on using any of those otherwise) and set some parameters to make them useful. The "TEMP" light comes on now when the coolant temp is below 130ºF and above 190ºF. That way I know when it's warming up and when it's starting to get hot. The "GEN" light comes on below 12.2v and above 15v and the "OIL" light has become my shift light. It comes on at less than 100rpm (so if I loose crank signal, engine stalls, a light check when I key on, etc) and at/above what ever rpm I specify, which is currently set at 5,100rpm. I was toying with it at 2,000rpm and it worked perfectly.

Also, a neat MegaSquirt feature is using timing to control idle rpm. I don't have an idle control valve, but can use an ignition timing modification table to target an idle rpm. So when the engine is cold it'll add timing to idle higher and when warmed up it'll retard the timing to drop the idle speed. I have my idle timing set at 15º, and have the idle rpm target for cold around 1,000rpm and at 700rpm warm, it'll advance the timing to around 20º when cold and retard it down to around 8º when warmed up. I haven't messed with it much, but it seemed to work decently.

Here is how the outputs are set.


And the idle stuff.
For the idle, there is settings that when it recognizes it's at idle (via TPS, RPM and MAP (and VSS if wanted) parameters) then it uses separate small 4x4 tables for the fueling and timing. I have my timing locked at 15º and the VE table essentially flat, but a little richer if the rpm's drop (like putting into gear).

This is the idle rpm targeting table, on my Skylark it usually just moves the IAC valve to meet the target, but since I don't have one on this car I've started to delve into the timing modifier (next picture). I think when the Skylark is back on the road I may make use of the next table there too.


Here is the timing modifying table. If it see's the rpm's are higher or lower than the targeted value then it applies the programmed change to the timing to bring it to the targeted rpm (previous picture). Mind you, I haven't fully tuned this table and a reminder that the base timing is currently programmed in as 15º.


According to one of my friend's, OEM's use timing corrections to meet idle rpm targets more than the idle control valves. Something like, slow valve movements and active timing corrections to quickly meet rpm targets, and given my experience with the IAC valves, I can see timing being more consistent and accurate.
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Had in interesting moment today. When I took the car out to get some lunch, I got on the throttle and when I lifted the throttle got hung up! I shut the engine down and pulled over and popped the hood and didn't see anything odd. Messing with the throttle under the hood it was obvious something was keeping the throttle from returning all the way, but what? I was thinking maybe the carb/throttle body was sticking. I fired the engine up and soon as I hit the gas it wouldn't idle down, but it wasn't so bad I couldn't get it home. Got home and was pushing the gas pedal with my hand to see if something was hung up under the dash and sure enough, the carpet was stuck to the pedal. WTF?

Pulled it apart and it appears a previous owner used a nail to hold the gas pedal on..... A nice carpet catcher.




I've removed the nail =P and have done a variety of small things. I glued the fender chrome "air extractors" trim on the fenders using emblem adhesive. Wired up the vacuum pump to the megasquirt to come on above 1500rpm (it's noisy!). I pulled the steering wheel off and re-centered it, and while I was there, I sorted out the turn signal cancel cam/horn piece and now the turn signals cancel themselves when turning. Since I was doing that I figured I'd see if I could get a horn working. The car came with two, but one doesn't work, but the other did so I hooked it up and the horn buttons work on the steering wheel. Winning. The right kick panel was off the car, which makes it kind of cold in the car while driving, so I scrubbed it down and painted it black and left it to dry for the night. Got the neutral safety switch sorted out so it starts in Park reliably. I played with the accel enrichment tune a bit as well. MAP based enrichment tuning is a bit more challenging than TPS based it seems. But I got it so it doesn't backfire when it's at idle and I stomp the pedal to the floor, which is good.

The big thing I tried today was to get the hood tach working. I built this small circuit from the MegaSquirt documentation that should be similar to an MSD Tach adapter, but it doesn't seem to be working. I tried a different relay, I've modified the relay even (pulled a resistor out of it that I think is designed to kill the voltage spike). Pulling out my old school dwell meter with a switch for rpm, it would read the rpm from the MegaSquirt tach output wire, but did not pick up the rpm from the relay connector to the hood tach, so it's definitely not making it through either the transistor or the relay. I'm pretty sure I used a 1k resistor, but it might be worth double checking that it's not a 10k or 100k one, which might over filter the MegaSquirt signal.


Oh, and the car seems to nose over before 5,100rpm. My laptop battery died on me before lunch so I did not get a chance to see what rpm it was nosing over at, or if the tune was causing it to nose over. I'll be looking into that tomorrow.

If it's valve springs then I'll set the shift light just below that point.

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