[johnta1]

I guess that VIN: 20N110363 could also be from a formula 400?

OK, maybe I misinterpreted it wrong.

Only one VIN in the Firebird line. But it can be any model in the Firebird line.
There would not be the same digits in the Formula and in the TA.

There would not be a 228870N110363 (TA) and a 226870N110363 (Formula).

Sorry for any confusion if I read it wrong.

[keith k]

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

Just to muddy the water a bit....I guess that VIN: 20N110363 could also be from a formula 400?

Yes it could. And it turns out it was (and is) indeed a Ram Air Formula.

I thought of that after I shut off my computer last night - looked this morning, and found it.

I think the related parties are likely already in touch with each other.

[Green Hornet]

Originally Posted by johnta1

OK, maybe I misinterpreted it wrong.

Only one VIN in the Firebird line. But it can be any model in the Firebird line.
There would not be the same digits in the Formula and in the TA.

There would not be a 228870N110363 (TA) and a 226870N110363 (Formula).

Sorry for any confusion if I read it wrong.

Just for your own info...

There is no style # included in the partial vin stamp....

2 is Pontiac...0....is 1970...N is Norwood...followed by sequential SN....

and I believe that Firebirds were the only Pontiacs built in Norwood...at that time?

[Green Hornet]

Originally Posted by keith k

Yes it could. And it turns out it was (and is) indeed a Ram Air Formula.

I thought of that after I shut off my computer last night - looked this morning, and found it.

I think the related parties are likely already in touch with each other.

Great detective work...

[johnta1]

Just for your own info...

There is no style # included in the partial vin stamp....

2 is Pontiac...0....is 1970...N is Norwood...followed by sequential SN....

and I believe that Firebirds were the only Pontiacs built in Norwood...at that time?

Yes, correct.
I thought you were saying that a TA could have that 6 digits in VIN and a Formula could have that 6 digits in VIN.

2 plants in 70 - Van Nuys and Norwood

There could be a Firebird with those 6 digits - 110363 but would have a 'L' before it.

And the engine would have 20L110363

[johnta1]

Congrats on finding the car owner!

Would you have the EUN on the engine?

[Green Hornet]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Yes, correct.
I thought you were saying that a TA could have that 6 digits in VIN and a Formula could have that 6 digits in VIN.

2 plants in 70 - Van Nuys and Norwood

There could be a Firebird with those 6 digits - 110363 but would have a 'L' before it.

And the engine would have 20L110363

But....NO WS's...in base birds or Esprits....and N....is in posted VIN......"just sayin"

[jhein]

Originally Posted by keith k

Yes it could. And it turns out it was (and is) indeed a Ram Air Formula.

I thought of that after I shut off my computer last night - looked this morning, and found it.

I think the related parties are likely already in touch with each other.

Yes, it is a RA Formula. As Green Hornet said, great detective work.

And yes we are in contact.

I never would have imagined that.

[FASTASSBIRD]

Originally Posted by keith k

Yes it could. And it turns out it was (and is) indeed a Ram Air Formula.

I thought of that after I shut off my computer last night - looked this morning, and found it.

I think the related parties are likely already in touch with each other.

I was 100% certain you knew the car for sure. It was pretty well discussed when it surfaced given its options. Pretty rare formula

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by keith k

Yes it could. And it turns out it was (and is) indeed a Ram Air Formula.

I thought of that after I shut off my computer last night - looked this morning, and found it.

I think the related parties are likely already in touch with each other.

That is wild! I honestly didn't think it would belong to anyone here

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by keith k

A little over 400 cars in my 70 TA "tracking file"..., but unfortunately N110363 isn't one of them.

Sounds like maybe FAB has a connection for it, though?

Damn... You want to add my '70 TA to your list so I can find my original block too

[FASTASSBIRD]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

That is wild! I honestly didn't think it would belong to anyone here

2nd WS I’ve managed to pair up with the original car. Other one is a MUCH wilder story

[jhein]

Well, when I started this thread I really had not made up my mind on what I was going to do and had no idea what may happen. But now the question has been answered. I found the owner of the car right here. We've made a deal and once I get the motor out of my car it will go back to where it belongs. Pretty cool.

[Brewster]

Good job guys and glad it found its way home. Cheers

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by jhein

Well, when I started this thread I really had not made up my mind on what I was going to do and had no idea what may happen. But now the question has been answered. I found the owner of the car right here. We've made a deal and once I get the motor out of my car it will go back to where it belongs. Pretty cool.

Very cool the engine is finding its home!

Even better news is that you can build your IA2 with a DCI Ram Air V top end

[Ramairnacho]

Originally Posted by jhein

Well, when I started this thread I really had not made up my mind on what I was going to do and had no idea what may happen. But now the question has been answered. I found the owner of the car right here. We've made a deal and once I get the motor out of my car it will go back to where it belongs. Pretty cool.

Ok so if I has correct motor but not number matching in my car put some hot rod motor in and then something when bad and didn't have that engine no more I'd be upset. Another thing is that it's your engine. With out original engine car value cut big time or had a service replacement so if he isn't paying good money for it I'm keeping it. 3 rd is proving its yours how did it even get out of car in first place. These days these cars so rare and the greed sickens me us the lies people say. I just don't trust anyone. Keep the engine ad back up period. I've had my car for most of my life mine since 8 years old and someone always takes something even back then. Even if it's not the correct Vin it's correct motor and its yours. I lost some trust in some members , not says you. Keep your engine man.

[giles]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Yes, correct.
I thought you were saying that a TA could have that 6 digits in VIN and a Formula could have that 6 digits in VIN.

2 plants in 70 - Van Nuys and Norwood

There could be a Firebird with those 6 digits - 110363 but would have a 'L' before it.

And the engine would have 20L110363

File under FWIW;
GM considers the last 8 characters of the VIN to uniquely identify a car, so style such as 2687 or 2887 does not matter. MY, plant and leading number matter. In the case of 70 Firebird there can be 4 VIN “0123”s:

0N100123
0L100123
0N600123
0L600123

I know we don’t talk about 6 cylinder cars much but they had unique VINs, and since they only made 2-3000 per year back then they are all low numbers.

[Ramairnacho]

Ok let's say I had a ws engine had it rebuilt had front plate of block where stamped surface ground just enough to erase the stamp. Had it restamoed to.fit my car . Hey it would be number matching Vin and block . Ha I would not do that and there is a lot of people hear that would . I would keep the block as a back up hard to find period. You guys will never admit that but you guys are out there. Keep it man!

[unruhjonny]

restamping, is only for the really sketchy side of the hobby.

I have said it before, and I am going to say it again, after number matching, numbers correct is the next best thing;
The only way that it can get in between numbers matching and numbers correct, is if it's numbers correct AND date correct.

Very few of these cars still have their original born-with drivetrain, so finding one with it, or reuniting one with the other is a pretty rare deal.

I hope this works out to be something that is agreeable for both parties, because I'd be hard pressed to let got of a correct 1970 WS motor, for an original WS powered car.

I put my YZ engine on that list;
And even put out a "wanted" incase my car's original motor is out there.

[Ramairnacho]

I'm the new guy what's a IA2 engine? Better than a ram.air 3. I wish I had a spare yz block. What's the true history value of a ws block? Anyone know. Keeping that in mind What's the value of knowing it's for your fricken car? Ha yeah some guys don't like that question. From a collectors point of view if it's not original to car it's not getting top dollar unless ls stock modified. If it's a hobby then who cars about the engine uniting with car. I've been looking at parts online for a while and start seeing people personalities and how they trat other people. My opinion is keep the block. Dude is blowing smoke up your ass. He told me he has a number matching formula heavily optioned. With a **** load of nos parts. A few months ago. Don't make sense to me. But hey it it works out cool. I'm just not trusting people these days alot. To many greedy people.