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Default Rubber seals between core support and radiator?

Saw these in the Ames Catalog. Does anyone have these installed on their car? I am putting the front clip back on my wife's 68 convertible and don't recall any rubber seals between the core support and radiator. I can't picture how these would be installed. Could someone post a pic and point them out?
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Just came across this thread by pure chance. Is this the seals in question:

https://www.firebird400ho.com/400-ac...t-rubber-seal/

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Old 06-03-2021, 03:30 PM
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Those fillers, plus the upper and lower medal baffles, were on 1st Gens equipped with 400s and/or AC. So, if your 350 does not have AC, it would not have had them from the factory.

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Those fillers, plus the upper and lower medal baffles, were on 1st Gens equipped with 400s and/or AC. So, if your 350 does not have AC, it would not have had them from the factory.
Makes perfect sense. The numbers engine is a 350 but we've bagged and tagged it and swapped it for a 400. It was also a non-AC car being a convertible but we're adding Vintage Air so if these help improve cooling, then I'll likely add them anyway. Thanks!!

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Good idea. Your adding the upper and lower metal parts too?

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Those lower baffles were hard to find 6-7 years ago when I needed one for my convertible.

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Those lower baffles were hard to find 6-7 years ago when I needed one for my convertible.
The only ones I have seen for sale lately have an asking price approaching $500.
I sold quite a few near perfect ones 10 years ago for $200.
Kind of like the price of original shakers...

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Good idea. Your adding the upper and lower metal parts too?
It has the upper filler panels, which is what I think your referring to and a lower air dam that mounts under the chin but that's fiberglass (at least the one that came with the car is). Are there other lower metal parts I should consider? The lower baffles referred to above?

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The only ones I have seen for sale lately have an asking price approaching $500.
I sold quite a few near perfect ones 10 years ago for $200.
Kind of like the price of original shakers...
Interestingly, this car came with two left hand cocktail shakers in the front. The mounted one correctly then took the other and bent the crap out of the mounting brackets to franken-fit it to the right side. When I first took the front clip off and realized this problem, I watched ebay and searched around for a few months and could never find one.

Last month we finally started putting the car together again and on a whim I checked ebay and boom, RH side cocktail shaker right here in Tx, up in Dallas. Hit the BIN. Paid ~$300 for it with shipping.

Speaking of that, I bought these brackets from Ames as well but I don't recall seeing them on the front cocktails. Anyone have pics showing how/where these are used? I have the 69 Assembly Manual and don't think they're pictured in the drawing either.
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Those lower baffles were hard to find 6-7 years ago when I needed one for my convertible.
Hey!! Have you driven your 2004R yet? I should have my car finished in the next couple of weeks to take a test drive. Not really super confident how its going to go. If not, looks like I'll beat you to it.

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Interestingly, this car came with two left hand cocktail shakers in the front. The mounted one correctly then took the other and bent the crap out of the mounting brackets to franken-fit it to the right side. When I first took the front clip off and realized this problem, I watched ebay and searched around for a few months and could never find one.

Last month we finally started putting the car together again and on a whim I checked ebay and boom, RH side cocktail shaker right here in Tx, up in Dallas. Hit the BIN. Paid ~$300 for it with shipping.

Speaking of that, I bought these brackets from Ames as well but I don't recall seeing them on the front cocktails. Anyone have pics showing how/where these are used? I have the 69 Assembly Manual and don't think they're pictured in the drawing either.
Those brackets mount under the front shakers for '68. If you actually have '67 shakers, I don't think you need them. All three years' front shakers are different. (many people sell them as '67-'69, which is incorrect)
Regarding the lower baffle, the crappy repops are fiberglass, and crumble the first time you hit a curb or something else under the car. OEM ones were steel like the upper x-baffles.
Oh, and a full set of four shakers used to sell for about $100 back in '06-'08 date range. Became extremely hard to find about 2012.

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Those brackets mount under the front shakers for '68. If you actually have '67 shakers, I don't think you need them. All three years' front shakers are different. (many people sell them as '67-'69, which is incorrect)
Regarding the lower baffle, the crappy repops are fiberglass, and crumble the first time you hit a curb or something else under the car. OEM ones were steel like the upper x-baffles.
Oh, and a full set of four shakers used to sell for about $100 back in '06-'08 date range. Became extremely hard to find about 2012.
I kind of figured that might be the case RE: the lower baffle. I'll keep an eye out for a steel one though with the prices you guys mentioned. Ugh. I'll post pictures of the shakers shortly. I read somewhere, and believe this to be true, that GM never stamped them with a PN which makes them hard to identify.

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Here is the current set that will be installed on the car. I did notice the shape of the brackets is slightly different. If you guys know what years these are and/or if I'll need those brackets for them, please let me know.
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The first pic here is the mangled LH shaker I removed from the car. I'm going to try and straighten out the brackets, clean it up and paint it to sell it. The second picture is another shaker I got from somewhere. I was planning to try to use it for the RH side until I found the one up in Dallas but I think this may be a rear shaker? Anyone know? This one will get sold too.
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See:
http://www.badgoat.net/CRH_homepage/...il_shakers.htm

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I've seen that page, forgot about it. Thanks. So the LH is correct 68, the new RH is 67. As for the one I thought might be a rear, I think it is a rear but it doesn't match any of those pics. Maybe a rear for a 67 Camaro? The only difference is the shape of the bracket and no 90 degree bend on mine, like the one in the pic.

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I think the oddball one is maybe a '69 front.
Definitely not a rear form any '67-'69 'bird.
I had some '69 fronts a while back, and I think they were taller than '67-'68.

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