[Cobrabill]

[QUOTE=67blackcherry;There's a Hurricane out at Chino? My business partner is a volunteer out there (works on/drives the Sherman & Stuart tanks, not the planes) and he's never mentioned a Hurricane.[/QUOTE]
At the time,it was on it's way there.THis was years ago.Coulda just been for a show.

[455HOGT37]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

I ...Their P-47 and P-38 they have are spectactular. The "jug" is just flat out cool, and I prefer them to P-51's...

Since we've gone off track here, I will say that our taste in aircraft is pretty much in lockstep. The P-47 and P-38 vie for top billing in my favorites list (but as a Lockheed guy, the Lightning holds a special place for me). Both were unfairly overshadowed by the Mustang. My "dream hangar" also includes a FW-190 and the F7F.

I once saw a picture of a dirt field filled with P-38s, gear up, stacked 3 high for as far as the eye could see. There were hundreds of them, available for $1400 each. I'd love to see that picture again, yet not really...

[MikeNoun]

Yes, I've seen those post war graveyards, and it's hard to believe how those planes were melted down to make baby carriages and bed frames. What an unceremonious way to end the lives of those planes that saved the world....

I love the P-51D and what those planes did to win the war, but there's something about the P-38 and P-47 that I've always admired. The toughness and speed of the P-47, and the elegance and innovativeness of the P-38.

By the way, I thought this was an interesting comment on how America used to be. When the P-47 was going into full production, they needed to move the main plant away from the coast for fear of a bombing attack. They selected Indiana as the location. From the time the first shovel hit the ground, to building this enormous factory, the first P-47's were rolling off the line in 6 MONTHS. Think about that. If they ran things in 1943 the way they do in 2009, they would have been bickering about contracts, unions, taxpayer funding, lobbyists, and the first P-47 would have rolled off the line in 1959, with German markings of course, because we would have lost the war.

[Lightfoot]

Off the subject here also, but I sighted a B-17 being trailed closely by a P-51 on Monday evening in Michigan City, IN.
They were quite low, not much higher than 3,000-4,000 feet in my estimation.
Headed in a southwesterly direction.

[Batman]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

Think about that. If they ran things in 1943 the way they do in 2009, they would have been bickering about contracts, unions, taxpayer funding, lobbyists, and the first P-47 would have rolled off the line in 1959

Nah, the factory would never have been built what with Environmental Impact Reports and lawsuits over the red legged horny toad and their diminishing habitat

[rexus31]

Chino Air Museum is a great facility as well with most of the planes on disply still airworthy. A few years back they used to roll one or two out once a month and put on a aerial disply. I'm not sure if they still do that. My dad and I went for the P-38/Zero demo and the Jug demo. Very cool. The modern fighters are awesome but there's just something about the WWII vintage aircraft that's special. I'd rather watch a formation of P-47's fly over vs. a formation of F-16's.

A couple of years back the POCI National was in Ontario, CA. One of the outings was to the Chino Air Museum where they had dinner in one of the hangers and an opportunity to have you car photgraphed alongside a P-51D. Here's mine:

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Lightfoot

Off the subject here also, but I sighted a B-17 being trailed closely by a P-51 on Monday evening in Michigan City, IN.
They were quite low, not much higher than 3,000-4,000 feet in my estimation.
Headed in a southwesterly direction.

www.collingsfoundation.org

[Mr. P-Body]

I am fully aware it's AIR FORCE museum...(:- I just like a bit of "varitety". I missed the German planes, though. No literature or displays were pointed out. Perhaps my visit was before that display was complete?

I believe many of the planes from the old Ontario museum (gone so they could expand the airport...) went to the Chino museum. At one time in Ontario, they had three functioning B-17s, which were used filming the TV show "12 O'clock High". I remember seeing a "G" model there once, too.

Falcon Field in Mesa, Arizona, is another great place to see old planes. The "Confederate Air Force" is based there. They sell "rides" in a B-25 Mitchell. They HAVE a B-29, and "word" is they're trying to get it "flight ready". I would LOVE to hear that thing take off!

P-38? Awesome plane, too! Fast, but took "3 states" to make a turn "at speed"...

Any Air Cobra fans? Black Widows? The "list" of old planes that are beyond "cool" can go on for hours...(:-

F7F was mentioned. I've seen Wildcats, Hellcats, Bearcats and Panthers, what was the "7"?

Jim

[Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Mr. P-Body

F7F was mentioned. I've seen Wildcats, Hellcats, Bearcats and Panthers, what was the "7"?

Jim

Grumman Tigercat. It's a twin radial job with a narrow fuselage.
Kalamazoo Air Musium has one that is airworthy.
When they have air shows, they have a feature called "Six Cats" all in formation:
Wildcat, Hellcat, Tigercat, Bearcat, Panther, Tomcat.

I like the Air Cobras for their unique layout. I've heard they have balance quirks with that mid-engine though.

[67blackcherry]

Originally Posted by rexus31

A couple of years back the POCI National was in Ontario, CA. One of the outings was to the Chino Air Museum where they had dinner in one of the hangers and an opportunity to have you car photgraphed alongside a P-51D. Here's mine:

Great picture!
I'm a Republic guy, cause Dad was a Thud pilot. I love the Jug, the Thud, and the A-10. Thing about Republic planes, they could take a beating and still get the pilot home. Growing up in Las Vegas, our neighbor was a corporate pilot for the MGM Grand back in the 70s, he said he and his buddies would buy P-51, Corsairs, etc in the early 50s for maybe a grand, and that was for the really clean ones.

Maybe a grand...

[MikeNoun]

I always liked the P-39 and P-63. What's not to love about a WWII Warbird that uses a car door to get into the cockpit? The Dayton Museum also has a P-63 Black Widow, a very rare sight nowadays (it's been in their collection for decades now). They still have a Ju52 sitting outside (also been there forever), and it still looks like it's flyable (no way it is, but it appears as if it flew in about 3 years ago, curtains on the windows, engines intact). One nice thing about the Ju52 "Iron Annie", the rain sure washes off that thing wel with all the corrugated panels! They also have a V-1 and a V-2, although the V-2 is on its side on the transport carrier, not standing up. The Dayton Museum also still has "Bockscar" (the Nagasaki B-29), and you can do a walk-thru of a B-29 fuselage.

This is the Me262A-1a/U4, with the big ass 50 mm cannon in the nose that I referred to earlier. I can't imagine being in the chin turret of a B-17G over Berlin, flak all around, Fw190's and Me109's all over, crewmen screaming out where bandits are coming in, and then seeing this thing coming at you, at 500 mph, with no propellors....



The Greatest Generation saved the world, and they never complained. Today, whiny little Liberals cry when they see a video of a terrorist having their cookie taken away, forced to drink water without a lemon twist, and don't have cable TV.

For any WWII veteran reading this, thank you again for saving the world. We will never forget....

[MikeNoun]

By the way, check out the ordinance hanging from under this F-4 Phantom at the Dayton Museum.

[455HOGT37]

Originally Posted by Lightfoot

Grumman Tigercat. It's a twin radial job with a narrow fuselage...

The only thing better than a P&W R-2800 on a airplane is TWO of 'em!

...pure sex.

[Mark C.]

For those that might be interested, on The Military channel at 7pm (EST) tonight Wings of the Luftwaffe, Me 262 and AR 234.

[lighthouseman]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RARE-...=p4506.c0.m245

This is for cobrabill . . . thought he would like this listing.

[Cobrabill]

Nice car.But gonna be a boatload of work for somebody.

[blackadder]

Hav'nt logged on this site for along time. But Thought I would contribute to the topic of warbirds. These were taken at a local museum that my dad works at. He started on Sabre's in the early 50's when he joined the R.C.A.F.

[blackadder]

Here's somemore. When he joined up he was saying he could have bought an ex R.C.A.F P-51 for $500 as the Govt was phasing them out. Also another museum about an hour south of me has an airworthy Mk X Hurricane,but they never fly it.

[mike nixon]

Originally Posted by Mr. P-Body

Falcon Field in Mesa, Arizona, is another great place to see old planes. The "Confederate Air Force" is based there. They sell "rides" in a B-25 Mitchell. They HAVE a B-29, and "word" is they're trying to get it "flight ready". I would LOVE to hear that thing take off!


Jim

DO you have any idea which '29 they have?

My Dad was a crew Chief on Saipan. 29's are great birds, huge for a prop plane tho.

When they first put the 29 exhibit in at Dayton we went down with him and took the tour. That was a good day, Dad enjoyed it immensly. The POCI eventwas the first time since he died that I've been back. The boys loved it, Bock's Car brought back a lot of good memories.

Mike

[SJMule]

I could never afford the real deal. Any of you folks collect the old control line stuff?
Cox, comet, Wen Mac, Aurora?

Here's a small part of my total collection. Also an unrestored Wen Mac P-38 twin .049 for Hogt. My fav. of them all. I really like the ol' Wen Mac birds. Air Cobra etc.