[kingbuzzo]

74 Trans Am

[johnta1]

With it being a TA, I don't think you can except with the build sheet?
An original windowsticker may have it but would have to go through my pics.

[unruhjonny]

/\ I have understood this to be correct.
Does PHS even have this?
I know that for Canadian cars, all the RPO's (no charge and optional) associated with a vehicle are on the file - so VVS can get them - but I don't think that PHS has this level of information recorded.

EDIT: a Canadian ordered car will show Z49 on the PHS.

[johnta1]

PHS only shows the optional options (upgrades)

Z49 is for Canadian base charges, I doubt I have very many Bird invoices from them.

Some of the window stickers I did look at didn't show Honeycombs, but not sure on some of them if the originals.

[Ogre]

I don't know if it helps or not ...

My '72 Lemans PHS specifically states:

"HONYCOMB WLS" and yes, it is spelled that way. I do not know what two years later on TA's would show.

Ogre

[johnta1]

The TA had the wheels as standard whether Rally II or Honeycomb, the Formula would show on PHS as the wheels were not standard equipment.

The LeMans/Tempest were probably extra cost wheels, the GTO though may have either as standard? (didn't check this though)

[kingbuzzo]

Did you mean this document?

[eaglesan13]

Agreed, my 1971 Trans Am (sold new in Ontario Canada) did not show the wheels on the PHS, but the GM of Canada Vintage Vehicle Services info lists option N98 "WHEEL: RALLY II ROAD"

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Originally Posted by unruhjonny

/\ I have understood this to be correct.
Does PHS even have this?
I know that for Canadian cars, all the RPO's (no charge and optional) associated with a vehicle are on the file - so VVS can get them - but I don't think that PHS has this level of information recorded.

EDIT: a Canadian ordered car will show Z49 on the PHS.

[johnta1]

Did you mean this document?

That's part of the PHS it looks like.

[johnta1]

I think the code for Honeycomb would be P05 when ordered.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by Ogre

I don't know if it helps or not ...

My '72 Lemans PHS specifically states:

"HONYCOMB WLS" and yes, it is spelled that way. I do not know what two years later on TA's would show.

Ogre

Honeycombs were optional on your LeMans, thus the notation on the invoice copy. My HO T-37 Coupe was ordered with 'em as well. Heavy wheel, even as 14x7's.
On the T/A's of this era, it's going to take viewing the wheel box code on the original buildsheet to know how originally equipped.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

No cost alternate at least from 71-74 TA , R2 or Hcomb .
The window sticker side bar will word one or the other as standard equipment , but its not an indicator.
Same thing with Transmission choice in that era , on TA

Whoever ordered the car , had the choices at no extra cost to the car.

[Held for Ransom]

Of course, if you have rims on there already, reading the dates may help prove they are originals.

[kingbuzzo]

Unfortunately no, she has dang American racing wheels. I have a set of 74 rally ii's in stock from my old car but a guy wanted to trade me for Honeys which I prefer but they are missing rings/caps.

I think I'll wait and save my money for aftermarket Honeys and hope they are lighter than factory units unless something else comes along.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Oversize aftermarket Honeys usually destroy the ride comfort of older cars unless you get modern fast action $u$pen$ion upgrades in unison.

Certain years of TA's did not get rings on their Honeys
But I forgot the protocol

[unruhjonny]

@buzzo;
I get it;
I liked the honeycomb wheels too;
This is why I ran them on the ‘73 Formula I had.

The weight difference between HC & RII wheels might be surprising;
Were I in your situation I would go for RII’s before HC…

[kingbuzzo]

I've definitely heard that BVZ.

I'm researching sus options and it will likely be out of reach anyways...

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Oversize aftermarket Honeys usually destroy the ride comfort of older cars unless you get modern fast action $u$pen$ion upgrades in unison.

Certain years of TA's did not get rings on their Honeys
But I forgot the protocol

[kingbuzzo]

I hear you but like my dodge buddy says I'm all flash and nobody is running them around here/so nice.

I ran rally ii's on the two old birds forever and I need a change!

Still at the dreaming stage however. 😑

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

@buzzo;
I get it;
I liked the honeycomb wheels too;
This is why I ran them on the ‘73 Formula I had.

The weight difference between HC & RII wheels might be surprising;
Were I in your situation I would go for RII’s before HC…

[unruhjonny]

incase proof was wanted...

[kingbuzzo]

looks smart