[69 DAYTONA]

...I bought the Judge from the original lady owner a couple of years ago...looked for it for 25 years and it finally turned up 6 blocks from my house...sat in the same garage for 37 years..

...my son and the original owner, Donna
...leaving the garage for the first time in decades
...buddies give her the "first bath"
...needed a little detailing under the hood

[69 DAYTONA]

...tons of original paperwork included

...after a few days of preparation, the "Barn Judge" was back on the same streets it cruised 40 years ago...drives like a new car...

...couple of weeks later, photo shoot for "Muscle Car Review"

[Ron Landis]

were blessed! Most of us don't get that lucky. Congrats! Ron

[69 DAYTONA]

Originally Posted by Ron Landis

were blessed! Most of us don't get that lucky. Congrats! Ron

...thanx, yes I was lucky....the best part of any car is the story, and this GTO has a great one...icing on the cake...

[The Boss]

Sorry, but the best part of the car is the car! I hope you drive the **** out of it!

[Bet Winner]

Nice car. That foam on the lower pan is killer!! lol

I see it has the early ram air cable connector and is from Baltimore like mine. It is probably a 1D car judging from the VIN. Correct? I have never found another early Baltimore Judge in original condition to compare with. My VIN is 154XXX, and I've had mine since 79.

Is the rubber vacuum hose from the lower pan to the hood one piece and have one rib in it? This is one thing that I have never been able to prove on another car since I have never found one to compare with. I have several other questions that I can save for later.

My car has the GTO emblem on the dash pad and a different heater outlet on the floor under the dash. Is that original?

Where do you live? I would like to see the car in person sometime if possible to look at some things and take some pictures. My home e-mail is mstaley2@triad.rr.com if you would e-mail me. I am close to Greensboro, N.C.

Thanks,
Michael

[bulletpruf]

Bet - believe he's in Indiana. Car was sold at the same dealership as my RAIV GTO - Wells Pontiac. They have a few interesting cars come out of Wells, including 68 RAII roundport 'Bird that was built to race (IIRC, M21, 4.33, special paint, seam sealer/radio/heater delete, etc).

Scott

[blubomber]

A couple of years ago I ran across a similar story. My family and I were heading west from VA to visit relatives in the midwest. We were driving down I-81 towards Knoxville TN and I kept seeing classic cars heading up the interstate in the opposite direction. Shortly after we made the merge onto I-40 I spotted an orbit orange Judge in front of us a few hundred yards. I told my wife we were going to follow him and when he got off the highway for gas I would ask him about his car. I told my wife it wouldn't be long with that car before he needed gas. Sure enough in less than an hour he pulled off and into a WalMart parking lot. I pulled up and introduced myself and found out they had just come from a large classic car show and were heading back to Missouri.

He then told me about the car and that he found it as an all original car sitting in barn only about 10 miles from his house where it had been for 30+ years. He had been looking for it for years and finally stumbled across it. The car was still all original and showed very little wear. I believe the car had the parchment interior. I thought it was awesome that he drove it to and from a car show some 700 miles each way.

[johnta1]

Cool find!



Did she say what happened to the glovebox emblem?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

My car has the GTO emblem on the dash pad and a different heater outlet on the floor under the dash.

That appears to be the tape deck version heater outlet.

By the dash ... i'm venturing to guess its 2A or 2B build at soonest ?
It "might not" even be a Zone/Pattern car.
But it does look like one.


69 DAYTONA , do you have the PHS or PMD Invoice ?
Not that this car would need it by its pedigree and supporting documents/history,
just wondering what the order number is on Invoice - if you have it.

Really great find on an awesome car in such great well kept shape.

[Bet Winner]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Did she say what happened to the glovebox emblem?

No emblem on the early cars. It was apparently not ready.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Did she say what happened to the glovebox emblem?

Baltimore Judges didn't start getting those until late Feb or March.
For most of February, they got no dash emblem and no glovebox emblem.

[69 DAYTONA]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

That appears to be the tape deck version heater outlet.

By the dash ... i'm venturing to guess its 2A or 2B build at soonest ?
It "might not" even be a Zone/Pattern car.
But it does look like one.


69 DAYTONA , do you have the PHS or PMD Invoice ?
Not that this car would need it by its pedigree and supporting documents/history,
just wondering what the order number is on Invoice - if you have it.

Really great find on an awesome car in such great well kept shape.

...I ran the PHS...not sure which number you need

...one page shows an order number of 89744...is this what you are asking about

...order date was 2/26/69

...another line on PHS says 02/26 ZBA 52680?(maybe another 8)

...original paperwork shows delivery 3-18-69...car was registered at license branch 3-20-69

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

I have never found another early Baltimore Judge in original condition to compare with.

Wonder if Bob Copleys 69 would meet the criteria ?
Haven't seen it since the late 80's - and it stayed indoors permanently.
But from old memories - i think it will be a Zone/Pattern Judge.
Did you ever examine it ? Was VERY original 1 piece car IIRC.

He and Joyce moved from GSO several years ago.
Not sure how many cars they still have or which ones.

[69 DAYTONA]

...Donna drove the car to work daily until she spun it off the road in an ice storm...put a small dent in the drivers quarter (repaired in 1970 or so)...she stopped driving it in 1972 when gas hit 50 cents a gallon and bought a Duster...she worked at DANA/Perfect Circle in Hagerstown In. and her husband worked at Chrysler here in New Castle

...it has approx 42K miles and had every original part it left the factory with except the tires and exhaust

...and someone asked about looking at the car...yes, anyone is welcome anytime if you want to take pix, research anything...it is as near 99.9% original as a car can be

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 69 DAYTONA

...I ran the PHS...not sure which number you need

If you could post the Invoice - that would be cool.
And if you could check the trim tag for the build date, that would be great also.

Your Invoice might be interesting to see.
It is Zone ordered, and may be Pattern optioned - and maybe not exactly.
If it has identical pattern options - it was ordred after the "cut-off" of the original group - perhaps.

We can tell more after knowing build date and seeing invoice.
Where this one has 00061 is the order number box, on top line.
All the early (first batchers) have an 000xx order number.
With only a few exceptions.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 69 DAYTONA

...Donna drove the car to work daily ...she stopped driving it in 1972 when gas hit 50 cents a gallon ...it has approx 42K miles and had every original part it left the factory with except the tires and exhaust ..

Incredible
Hard to believe she even sold it.
I guess she was holding out until enough zeros followed the right number.

Did you repaint ? Or leave it as it was with some elbow greasing ?

[69 DAYTONA]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

If you could post the Invoice - that would be cool.
And if you could check the trim tag for the build date, that would be great also.

Your Invoice might be interesting to see.
It is Zone ordered, and may be Pattern optioned - and maybe not exactly.
If it has identical pattern options - it was ordred after the "cut-off" of the original group - perhaps.

We can tell more after knowing build date and seeing invoice.
Where this one has 00061 is the order number box, on top line.
All the early (first batchers) have an 000xx order number.
With only a few exceptions.

ps...my scanner died a few weeks ago and I haven't installed the new one yet


...that number on my PHS is 00042

...the PHS copy I have is very difficult to read certain words on it...it has 3 dates I can make out...2/26/69 (order date),03/03/69 (Build date?) and 3/18/69 (delivery date)...car was titled by the new owner on 03/20/69...she got to drive the Judge out of the showroom

[69 DAYTONA]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Incredible
Hard to believe she even sold it.
I guess she was holding out until enough zeros followed the right number.

Did you repaint ? Or leave it as it was with some elbow greasing ?

...about 15-20 years ago she had some major health problems and has virtually zero memory of the car from the early days, she remembers nothing past just a few years ago...she told me it was just an old orange car to her and she wanted to get rid of it...she gave the money to her daughters

...it was a funny deal...I've told this before, but I was sitting in a little diner having breakfast with a buddy of mine and we had been talking about the car just a few days before, where it was, did it still exist etc...lots of legends about the car, it was stored in the country and guarded by a pack of wolves, sold years ago etc...the ladies husband told everyone it had been sold in the 1970s, his closest friends had never seen the car since 1972, no one knew where it really was or if it really still existed

...she sits down next to me in the diner and mentions some of the car pictures on the wall of my diner and asks if any of the cars were mine, I said yes and the conversation switched gears to her Judge( I knew immediately who she was, the lady I had been looking for for the last 25 years))...she asked me what a one lady owner Judge, 4-spd was worth, and was it worth $8,000...I said yes it was...she then asked if it was worth $11,000. and I said yes it was and then I told her I would give her $20K without even seeing the car...I didn't press her to buy it, but explained how I had been searching for the car for years and why I wanted THAT particular Judge...a few days later she left a message at the diner for me to come over and look at the car and my son and I went to see the long lost legend...she told me her daughter told her to ask $30K and take no less than $25K...I told her I was going to start at $25K and hope to go no higher than $30K...she laughed and said "do you want it for $25K"...I said yes and the rest is history...way more to the story, but this is the main subject line...it was as simple as buying a loaf of bread at the grocery

...the car is still all original and I have no plans to ever restore the car...it will remain a survivor forever I hope

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

00042 is one of the "First 2000" Zone Pattern Judges.
Just a little more icing on your cake, i'd say.
But don't take that as meaning car #42 - just to keep things clear.

The dates on the Invoice can be weeks - and even months - apart from build date on these particular cars. The easiest term to use is - they were prebuilt and held until after a release date.

Trim tag and/or actual buildsheet (doubt you will ever find a buildsheet on an early Baltimore Judge - no one else has) is what will determine build time.

On this example, the build date is January - 5th week = 01E