[PAUL K]

While waiting for a return phone call today I realized I had a pair of 72cc Edelbrock heads and Speedmasters waiting in line for some work. I studied them a bit side by side and thought I'd share a few observations.

Intake ports are CNC matched from both manufacturers. The Edelbrock in the first picture is blended and smoothed with a sanding roll. The second picture is the Speedmaster which is not blended or smoothed and leaves some large ridges which will have a negative effect on performance.

The exhaust ports on the Edelbrocks are CNC matched (to a specific size) and the Speedmasters are as cast.

[PAUL K]

Both chambers are CNC machined and point the spark plug towards the exhaust valve. The Edelbrock chamber un-shrouds the plug and smooths out any exposed plug threads in the chamber.

Edelbrock head is on the right

[PAUL K]

The Speedmaster head's valve job was cut using a radius cutter on the intake and exhaust seats. The Edelbrock uses your basic multi-angle cutter on both.

The Edelbrock has the bowls blended and smoothed. The Speedmasters are not and they have sharp edges that need to be smoothed or some of their performance potential will be negatively affected.

The Edelbrock head is on the left.

[PAUL K]

This picture has the SM valve on the left and Edelbrock on the right. The dye shows where the valve seat is located in relation the the valve face. Both intake seats had good placement. The exhaust seat on the E was good but for some reason the exhaust seat on the SM is located at the bottom of the face (closer to the valve stem).

[PAUL K]

This picture shows an area of concern with the SM head. The intake bowl in this area is approximately .050 smaller that the valve insert. This is the area if you start chasing big power and open up the bowl it may cause the seat insert to fall out. It also causes an issue with shaping the bowl in relation to the valve job.

[PAUL K]

FWIW

[ID67goat]

Paul,

Good info, thanks for sharing!

With as side by side comparison, it clearly looks like the Edelbrock head is more refined than the SpeedMaster based on your pictures..

Please keep us posted on any other findings as you set these heads up.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by ID67goat

Paul,

Good info, thanks for sharing!

With as side by side comparison, it clearly looks like the Edelbrock head is more refined than the SpeedMaster based on your pictures..

Please keep us posted on any other findings as you set these heads up.

You're welcome, happy to share, something I've been curious about also.

Im working on a few sets of these all at different levels. I'll probably posts results as time allows.

Hey how did the fuel injection work out?

[Dragncar]

Well, if there is not enough materiel under that seat to prevent them from falling out if one chooses to for big power, welding required.
Thats not good.
Those Gabby E heads I have, under the area under the seat opened up is huge.
The SM heads need some finish work. Those tests done by their manufacturer showing they flowed a bit more than the E heads, was that intake port blended ? You would think it had to be to outflow the E head.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Well, if there is not enough materiel under that seat to prevent them from falling out if one chooses to for big power, welding required.
Thats not good.
Those Gabby E heads I have, under the area under the seat opened up is huge.
The SM heads need some finish work. Those tests done by their manufacturer showing they flowed a bit more than the E heads, was that intake port blended ? You would think it had to be to outflow the E head.

If one is chasing "big power" the seats usually get replaced so it wouldn't be a big deal to weld up that area but you are correct about being better off not having to weld at all. These aren't bad heads but not a good candidate for chasing big power IMO.

[ta man]

Quality control is what worries me today with parts. The last new intake I installed..the bolt holes were way off.

[GTOLou]

Originally Posted by ta man

Quality control is what worries me today with parts. The last new intake I installed..the bolt holes were way off.

For speedmaster?? or Edelbrock?

I have found the majority of edelbrock intakes I've used (new) needed to have the intake flange milled.

[ta man]

Originally Posted by GTOLou

For speedmaster?? or Edelbrock?

I have found the majority of edelbrock intakes I've used (new) needed to have the intake flange milled.

Edlebrock..

[Murf]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

While waiting for a return phone call today I realized I had a pair of 72cc Edelbrock heads and Speedmasters waiting in line for some work. I studied them a bit side by side and thought I'd share a few observations.



Intake ports are CNC matched from both manufacturers. The Edelbrock in the first picture is blended and smoothed with a sanding roll. The second picture is the Speedmaster which is not blended or smoothed and leaves some large ridges which will have a negative effect on performance.



The exhaust ports on the Edelbrocks are CNC matched (to a specific size) and the Speedmasters are as cast.

Paul, first off thanks for posting this!

Are the Edelbrock’s intakes roll sanded from the factory or had you already work on them?

Do you have any plans to compare the flow of these heads?

Thanks
Murf


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[grivera]

Thanks for posing Paul - always nice to get first hand accounts of relatively new products.

Originally Posted by Murf

Paul, first off thanks for posting this!

Are the Edelbrock’s intakes roll sanded from the factory or had you already work on them?

Do you have any plans to compare the flow of these heads?

Thanks
Murf


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Murf - I assume you've seen Randy's (Goatzilla) thread on the SM heads and comparison to E-Heads

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...0&postcount=16


That being said it would be nice to see another test.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Murf

Paul, first off thanks for posting this!

Are the Edelbrock’s intakes roll sanded from the factory or had you already work on them?

Do you have any plans to compare the flow of these heads?

Thanks, I will be flowing these plenty on the flow bench but no plans "as a comparison". That has already been done and I think the results seemed credible.


Murf


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You're welcome. I will be flowing these plenty on the flow bench but no plans "as a comparison". That has already been done and I think the results seemed credible. Both these heads were "as is" complete assembled heads direct from the manufacturers.

[RUDOLFSSON]

Thanks for posting.... glad I bought the originals ;-)

[pontbil]

The first set of E heads I purchased when they first came out were great here is a pic of the new ones I bought last year when they went on sale and and was very disappointed

[P@blo]

Thanks Paul for sharing. I was very close to picking these SM up on sale last November but realized it was only the price that was attractive. Glad I didn't and that was before you posted your thread.

So much for the SpeedMaster being the same as the Edelbrock and wonder if the advertised flow is on an as-sold head.

[grivera]

Originally Posted by P@blo

Thanks Paul for sharing. I was very close to picking these SM up on sale last November but realized it was only the price that was attractive. Glad I didn't and that was before you posted your thread.

So much for the SpeedMaster being the same as the Edelbrock and wonder if the advertised flow is on an as-sold head.

Goatzilla flowed both heads as cast:

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...0&postcount=16