#1  
Old 04-23-2023, 05:07 PM
Dave M's Avatar
Dave M Dave M is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dover, FL Formerly from Willington, CT
Posts: 348
Default 71 Formula Ram Air decal location

I'm trying to find the ram air decal location. My assy manual just got soaked due to a leak in the roof. So I can't look it up. If anyone has one they can take a picture of, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks
Dave

  #2  
Old 04-24-2023, 09:23 AM
Dave M's Avatar
Dave M Dave M is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dover, FL Formerly from Willington, CT
Posts: 348
Default

All set



Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

  #3  
Old 04-24-2023, 12:02 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,232
Default

I would put money on that being a little bit too forward.

In the 1970 assembly manual (which shows 1971 information), the specification is 3.38" from forward edge of hood scoop to forward edge of decal.

Keep in mind this was done on assembly line, so locations would vary...



The tendency for most seems to be placing it too far forward.

I would certainly think that the decal should always be behind the point where the scoop turns up and forward off of the hood.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	hood decal location.jpg
Views:	228
Size:	78.6 KB
ID:	611345  

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)

Last edited by unruhjonny; 04-24-2023 at 12:26 PM.
  #4  
Old 04-24-2023, 07:26 PM
SD455DJ SD455DJ is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 3,253
Default

That dimension of 3.38" seems way too far back to us, so we installed them where we thought they looked best on the '71...aligned with the upsweep of the scoop, or about 1" back from the scoop edge. On the '70 Formula 400, the RA decals were there when we acquired it, looks like about 1 3/4" back and they look OK to me. I have seen some Formulas that have them installed per the illustration and they look odd to me, but that is correct. I'm not sure if it's the same location for the '71 RA decals.

Dennis
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20210702_133024.jpg
Views:	82
Size:	95.0 KB
ID:	611410  

The Following User Says Thank You to SD455DJ For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 04-25-2023, 11:27 AM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,232
Default

I seem to have observed that they are often not installed that far back (3.38" or roughly 3-3/8").

BUT(!)

These decals are also on cars which have been restored, so I have assumed that the owner did as you did - and moved it forward some.

I do not know if the assembly manuals ever gave a different location, but that measurement isn't too far from the forward edge.

I just took a rough measurement on one of my hoods (it's behind stuff), and it looks like the forward edge is about 1.75 (or the better part of two inches) from where the fibreglass on the hood turns up to form the scoop- so the diagram is suggesting that the forward most edge of the decal should be a little over an inch back from where the fibreglass turns up.

Again, I would assume that this measurement was a nominal number, and intended to tell assembly line workers approximately where it should go - but not be a real world hard number of where they were installed - unlike a badge, where I would expect a jig of sorts would have been used to drill pilot holes.

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
The Following User Says Thank You to unruhjonny For This Useful Post:
  #6  
Old 04-25-2023, 06:08 PM
SD455DJ SD455DJ is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 3,253
Default

I'm sure they never (or rarely) got installed 'by the book' going down the assembly line anyway.

Dennis

The Following User Says Thank You to SD455DJ For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old 04-25-2023, 06:50 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,232
Default

/\ exactly my point (but worded better).

There would have been no jig to place a decal!

On a related note, I had heard a while back of a later 70's TA that had different decals on each side of the shaker!

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #8  
Old 05-18-2023, 12:10 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,232
Default

I am giving this a bump just incase anyone is looking for this information in the future.

A really nice 1972 Formula 455 was just listed HERE on the forum, and I figured that this decal location might be worth copying to this thread.


__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #9  
Old 05-18-2023, 12:48 PM
srmmmm's Avatar
srmmmm srmmmm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: DFW
Posts: 117
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by unruhjonny View Post
/\ exactly my point (but worded better).

There would have been no jig to place a decal!

On a related note, I had heard a while back of a later 70's TA that had different decals on each side of the shaker!
We had jigs for all emblems and decals that did not have hard point locators (pins) on the assembly line at Lordstown for the Vegas, Astres, Monzas, Starfires, J2000s and Skyhawks while I worked there. They were typically made from non-marring HDPE or nylon so they could rest against the painted panel without scratching the paint. The one for that Ram Air decal would have located off the front of the snorkel and provided both the vertical start point and a level horizontal surface to line the decal up with.

The Following User Says Thank You to srmmmm For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 05-18-2023, 01:21 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,232
Default

Wow!

First hand assembly working knowledge is exceedingly rare to come by!


Thank you VERY much for taking a moment to reply!!

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #11  
Old 05-18-2023, 03:44 PM
Held for Ransom's Avatar
Held for Ransom Held for Ransom is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 8,912
Default

I'm going to add my 2 cents, which isn't much.

I don't think the design/style guys were looking at the scoops when they decided where to place the decal. I think they stepped back and placed them on the scoop edge in line with the side marker. You know, like a so-so paint job, 20-footer.

__________________
So long, farewell.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:20 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017