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looks great care to share any more pictures?
(maybe I missed another thread?)

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A few more details on my car: Built in CA and has CA Emissions, Matching "YS", Muncie M-20, Orig. 12 bolt rear with 3.31 and Safety Trac, Factory options: A/C, PS. PB., Rear Defog, Tilt Column, recessed wipers, Custom Trim and Custom Belts, Molding Decor, Rally gauges, Still has factory original chrome tips with part#s. Car runs like new.
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What a nice car. Love it.

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A few more details on my car: Built in CA and has CA Emissions, Matching "YS", Muncie M-20, ...
wait, what?

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Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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A few more details on my car: Built in CA and has CA Emissions, Matching "YS", Muncie M-20, Orig. 12 bolt rear with 3.31 and Safety Trac, Factory options: A/C, PS. PB., Rear Defog, Tilt Column, recessed wipers, Custom Trim and Custom Belts, Molding Decor, Rally gauges, Still has factory original chrome tips with part#s. Car runs like new.
If your Formula is a manual trans (M-20) standard 330 hp 400, the engine should be a 'WT' code with #12 heads. 'YS' was the automatic 400 engine code with #13 heads. Gorgeous car and thanks for posting more pictures! Bringing it to the TA Nationals this year?

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I have never seen a wings up Firebird dash emblem to the right side of a single dash switch on any bird. Any history on this? I am not 100% versed on Calif built cars..

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I believe the dash bird was for cars without a/c & gauges - to more or less break up the blankness of the dash;
I have seen many additions to the dash, but none quite as subtle as that one!
I actually missed the added bird emblem there by the rear defog switch.

I also thought that only the service replacement tips had the part number stamped on them(??).

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Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Thanks for the kind comments all. The M-20 is not original to the car. Too far to drive to Dayton for the Nats but I will be there. Dave

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I believe the dash bird was for cars without a/c & gauges - to more or less break up the blankness of the dash;
I have seen many additions to the dash, but none quite as subtle as that one!
I actually missed the added bird emblem there by the rear defog switch.

I also thought that only the service replacement tips had the part number stamped on them(??).
My stock formula bezel has AC no gauges with a bird on the left side of the AC vents

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Thanks for the kind comments all. The M-20 is not original to the car. Too far to drive to Dayton for the Nats but I will be there. Dave
Ahh, mystery solved regarding the M-20. What a nice Formula to find and drive. All the better if the AC works! Looking forward to seeing you there, I'll be driving the '71 Formula (Canyon Copper) this year.

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Great looking Formula! Seems like an inordinate number of 2nd gens are white, Lucy blue or bandit black so always great to see an impeccably styled car in a different color. Contrast these second gen birds with Mustangs from the same era and it’s a huge discrepancy.

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Thanks for the kind comments all. The M-20 is not original to the car. Too far to drive to Dayton for the Nats but I will be there. Dave
Ahh, mystery solved regarding the M-20. What a nice Formula to find and drive. All the better if the AC works! ...

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Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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I believe the dash bird was for cars without a/c & gauges - to more or less break up the blankness of the dash;
I have seen many additions to the dash, but none quite as subtle as that one!
I actually missed the added bird emblem there by the rear defog switch.

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My stock formula bezel has AC no gauges with a bird on the left side of the AC vents
exactly my point;
if the emblem wasn't placed there, your dash would have a big area between the gauge pod and the a/c vents;
This area would appear as though something is missing - but the bird emblem breaks it up, and is a nice touch to make it look like nothing is "missing".

For non-Trans Am's without the 'formula' wheel, this emblem (if so equipped) is the only model emblem to be found inside the car;
The Trans Am always had the formula wheel, so there was an emblem there, Trans Am's also always had the bird emblem on the automatic shifter button - if so equipped (the exception is 1973 iirc).

I really like that Pontiac's seemed to try to add little touches that some other manufacturers didn't bother to do - they did this almost right to the end;
If it wasn't a badge-engineered model, they always seemed to take more care;
Even the bottom rung models received this attention;
If you have driven a 1995-2004 Cavalier, and a same era Sunfire you will know what I mean;
Chevy did start adding things to dress up their interiors, but they seemed to often lack the same practicality - the drink holders in these two models contrasts the kind of thing I am attempting to point out quite well;

Cavalier:


Notice how the Cavalier's cup holder places the drink right in front of the radio controls?
Also you can't put the car in park with anything in the cup holder(!?)

Sunfire:


Look how Pontiac offset the cup holder - now you have radio control access with a drink there, and you can even shift without hitting your big gulp

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A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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