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And just for reference sake,
the RamIV 4spd from Van Nuys that i have a Buildsheet on is M20 / 3.73
As far as I know, every RAIV car had 3.73s, and if it was a 4-speed it was an M20. I don't think the M21 was available on a IV T/A in '70.


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In case this has gotten confusing
Or if anyone came in late

What we are crunching is the fact that some RamAir3 70 TA's with 4 speed and 3.73 Axle Gears show it plainly on the Invoice (including the mandatory HD Radiator) -
and some documented 3.73 cars do not - and only show the HD Radiator

We are trying to possibly nail down "why"

The "why" is looking like it relates to whether the car was :

3.73 with M20 Wide Ratio 4spd (Performance Axle Option and HD Rad on Invoice)
or
3.73 with M21 Close Ratio 4spd (Just the HD Radiator on Invoice)
That seems like a very logical hypothesis. When I have a chance, I will have to dig through my stuff and see if it all "makes sense" through that lens. Agreed - sure would be nice to have more build sheets and GM Canada docs to cross reference!

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Presently at $45K.

Trivial Pursuit again,....did ya'll notice the door sill plates are swapped side for side?

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What the hell is going on with the rear rails near the front leaf spring mounts? The passenger side looks boxed in with 1/8" plate and the driver side looks funky as well.

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Wow, $65,500 , he can have mine for that with correct hood and fenders!

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wow!

Apparently BAT is the new eBay, formerly Hemmings.

All the issues aside, kudos to the seller for making a great listing with TONS of pictures, and everything a bidder might want to see ... warts and all!

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I'll cut mine loose for $60,000 if anybody is interested.. Its a lot better car IMO

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Didn't the white 70 about 3 months ago sell somewhere around $80k?

BAT certainly has been kind to Trans Ams

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Didn't the white 70 about 3 months ago sell somewhere around $80k?

BAT certainly has been kind to Trans Ams
Def been kind to 70 T/A's that need another 15-20K in correct parts & quality repairs in order to show well.

For those that have personally sold a vehicle on BAT, what exactly was the fee?
349.00 or 5% of final sale amt?
Read through search results & could not get a straight answer.

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For those that have personally sold a vehicle on BAT, what exactly was the fee?
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Sellers pay a $99 listing fee, with the option to add our Plus photo service for an additional $250. There are no other seller fees on BaT.

Buyers pay a 5% fee on top of the final sale price to BaT, with a minimum of $250, and capped at $5,000.

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I would be careful with BAT. I submitted my 30th with a reserve and they wanted me to reduce it by $5,000. I already reduced it too. It was a real slap in the face. The car involved is a 1999 30th with 3,641 miles. Still smells new when the door is opened. Still has the plastic on the carpet from the factory.

Don't ask what I submitted as a reserve I'm not showing my hand. Just be careful with them.

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I would be careful with BAT. I submitted my 30th with a reserve and they wanted me to reduce it by $5,000. I already reduced it too. It was a real slap in the face. The car involved is a 1999 30th with 3,641 miles. Still smells new when the door is opened. Still has the plastic on the carpet from the factory.

Don't ask what I submitted as a reserve I'm not showing my hand. Just be careful with them.

I submitted my '66 corvette a couple years ago. They said no more than 50k. I ended up selling on craigslist for 62k.

I just submitted my '70 T/A for 60k.. We'll see what they say. I hadn't thought about selling.. But at those numbers.. I'd cut it loose.. Otherwise.. I'll keep it.. Hard car to replace.

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I submitted my '66 corvette a couple years ago. They said no more than 50k. I ended up selling on craigslist for 62k.

I just submitted my '70 T/A for 60k.. We'll see what they say. I hadn't thought about selling.. But at those numbers.. I'd cut it loose.. Otherwise.. I'll keep it.. Hard car to replace.
Bat doesn't care what the seller gets. They just want to sell the car. They basically said if the car is that good the bidding should rise on it's own. Down grading the reserve like they do is considered by me as auction suicide. A reserve is used to protect the seller not the agent who collects a fee from the buyer.

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I just submitted my '70 T/A for 60k.. We'll see what they say. I hadn't thought about selling.. But at those numbers.. I'd cut it loose.. Otherwise.. I'll keep it.. Hard car to replace.
I look forward to the email!

I had no idea they would try to be in control of listings in any way!?!

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I just submitted my '70 T/A for 60k.
60K ?
What is it - an Automatic Non-AC with Green Interior ?

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What is it - an Automatic Non-AC with Green Interior ?

blue on blue 4 speed no a/c. all original drivetrain.

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Bat doesn't care what the seller gets. They just want to sell the car. They basically said if the car is that good the bidding should rise on it's own. Down grading the reserve like they do is considered by me as auction suicide. A reserve is used to protect the seller not the agent who collects a fee from the buyer.
I agree. A reserve should be the sellers rock bottom. I always set a reserve or start bidding at my minimum. I don't want to chance giving my car away.

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I've seen this car up close, and it's a way better car than either of the two 70 TA's that sold recently on BAT.

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blue on blue 4 speed no a/c. all original drivetrain.

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I've seen this car up close, and it's a way better car than either of the two 70 TA's that sold recently on BAT.

Thank you for the compliment. I've improved a couple things since you last saw it.

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BaT is a fickle beast. Yes, they dictate your reserve or they won't take the car. Admittedly, they do produce real qualified buyers. I recently listed my 76 TA 455 car. They wouldn't go beyond 37k reserve (they started with 32k). The car brought 50k.

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