[loadedgoat65]

I purchased an all original Tiger Gold 1965 GTO from the original owner a while back and just now getting the time to work on it. I just noticed today that it does not have a driver outside mirror and does not appear to ever had one on it. The paint on the car appears to be 100% original and never been wrecked. I looked behind the door skin where it would have been mounted and there were no holes that were filled. Has anyone ever heard of this? Thanks in advance

[b-man]

The mirror was an option, not standard equipment.

Looks like the original owner didn't check off that option on the order form.

[Option 382]

Do you still have the original pinstripes on the car? Could we see some pictures on the pinstipe if so?

The mirror was an option.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

x3 - was an option in 64 and 65

On a 65 GTO
option 444 was the driver remote mirror = about $12
option 602 was the driver side manual mirror = about $4

If one wasn't ordered , nothing would be there.

Do you have the original window sticker or PHS or Build Sheet ?

[loadedgoat65]

Ok thanks guys I didn't realize that. All the GTO's I ever had have always had the outside mirror. I am posting some pictures of the pinstripes and yes I do have the PHS for it. It is an original Tiger Gold with black vinyl top 3x2 4 speed. I purchased it out of a second level of a barn in Ohio and had been sitting there sense the late 70's.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Wow what a great Car !
Gold Mine with 2nd floor security measures - cool man

Can you share the PHS and Trim Tag too ?

[60sstuff]

Looks like it has some rust isses?

Assuming it still retains the Original motor we would love to see pics of that engine bay from all angles!

Thanks for sharing!

[Chris65LeMans]

Yep - mine almost made it 50 years without one, too. Left and right are getting installed shortly to make driving on California freeways significantly easier.

[geeteeohguy]

What 60'sstuff said: PICS!!! My '65 has a date-coded manual side mirror, but it was put there later. It wasn't born with an outside mirror, or seatbelts, either. But with tripower and 4 speed, who needs that stuff anyway!!! LOL...........

[loadedgoat65]

I am posting some pics of the PHS and data plate. Yes it has the original motor and trans and all the accessories are original too. It does have some rust issues but not to bad. I need to replace the trunk floor and put on some lower quarter patch panels. It also has a little rust near the seat belt mounting points but otherwise looks pretty good.

[loadedgoat65]

Here are some pics of the motor. Note the XX on the firewall for the special paint code.

[Option 382]

I am surprised PHS does not know what the code #2 paint is, but you do, and we all know now.

[loadedgoat65]

More pics

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Option 382

I am surprised PHS does not know what the code #2 paint is, but you do, and we all know now.

Code 2 is just special paint character in 65 (and some other years).
Like on the 65 Jolly Green Giant, etc ..
If he had told them it was original paint gold and had 97904 on trim tag - they probably would have noted it was Tiger Gold

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Open Questions to all -

1. What does the O on the lower 1 group line of Fisher codes on Trim Tag designate ?
W = Softray Windshield
O = ?

Jolly Green Giant was special paint, but no O on tag , so guess its not about special paint.


2. Code 592
Best i can find is it means special order - so seems it would go towards the special paint.

But Keith Seymore's Black 65 GTO also has 592 - what is it on Seymore's GTO ?

Also have buildsheet for 66 Tiger Gold #97904 - without code 592 listed (Pontiac Plant)
Was it a different deal in 65 for Tiger Gold , than it was in 66 ?

small oddities of significa/insignifica



65 GTO 2door Hardtop
06E 5 = body build date
2-2 = Special Order Tiger Gold (Ditzler-PPG #97904) / Black Vinyl Top
213-B = Black Buckets
VIN = 237375P339249
46409 body sequence number
07- 654 Dealer Code = 07 Michigan Zone --- Dealer unknown
Invoice Date 07/09/65


382 - GTO
392 - AM P-button radio
421 - Washer & 2spd Wipers
462 - Deluxe Hubcaps
471 - Back Up Lamps
524 - Wood Wheel
532 - SoftRay Windshield
*592 - * Special Order *
601 - Console
624 - Deluxe Seatbelts - front
631 - Front Floormats
701 - Safe-T-track
71F - 3.55 Axle
72C / 73C - Redlines
744 - 4spd Synch V8
75W / 76S - WS 3x2
77W - Wide Ratio M20 4spd

Trim Tag Accessory Codes
WO 2LGP
5NW

W = Tinted Windshield / O =
2 L = Manual floor shift / G = Console / P = Back Up Lamps
5 N = GTO / W = Deluxe Seatbelts w/ Retractors

[60sstuff]

This is one COOL 65 GTO!

Great pics - THANK YOU - it still has the starter wire clip at bottom left valve cover bolt, fan caution decal, tower hose clamps and those rare firewall marks!

Also the small curved tip aluminum fan indicating the 3.55 rear axle.

Be super careful in preserving all the factory goodies on this car.

Thanks for sharing such an important rare find!

[dld]

If you notice the grease pencil marks are under the black out paint.

also, thought the heater hose's used spring clamps

[Keith Seymore]

Some additional info about special paint (found this while looking for something else):

Originally Posted by gtoric

The procedure for getting a special-paint car ordered went like this:

• The customer (or dealership) determines what color is desired.

• An "All Series Special Equipment" order form is filled out.

The information required for a special-paint-request on this form is:
• Lower Color Paint No.
• Upper Color Paint No.
• Make of Car & Year Paint Used.
I am guessing that obtaining the correct paint no. would be left up to the ordering salesman/dealership paint department.

In the '60s and early '70s, before colored plastic/fiberglass trim parts became common, any color paint could be ordered, as long as the dealer could supply the paint formula no. on the S.O. form. After the mid-'70s when the crash-bumper fillers became common place, special order colors were phased out except for large fleet orders.

Several codes were used on the Fisher Body trim tag to indicate a special-order paint. Codes varied between the years and between Fisher Body plants. Some of the codes used were:
1= Standard GM paint, not a Pontiac color
2= Special Pontiac color. Sometimes offered a half-year "springtime" color.
3= Cadillac FireFrost color. This paint was not normally allowed on a Pontiac build because of the special processes required to apply this type of paint.
4= Body in primer
SPEC or ** would indicate a paint color from a source outside GM (Ford, Chryco, AMC, John Deere, International Harvester, etc.) Colors could also be ordered to match school or business colors. As long as a formula no. could be identified by the dealership just about any color hue could be specified.

• The order was then routed through the Pontiac Zone office, which then routed it on to the Central Office.

• Central Office then entered a request to the paint supplier, usually PPG/Ditzler, for the appropriate paint.

• The paint supplier shipped a quantity of paint to the appropriate assembly plant.

• The special-order build was scheduled and coordinated between the Fisher plant and GMAD or Pontiac assembly.

• Build was delivered to dealership with a quart of touch up paint in trunk.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Open Questions to all -

1. What does the O on the lower 1 group line of Fisher codes on Trim Tag designate ?
W = Softray Windshield
O = ?

Jolly Green Giant was special paint, but no O on tag , so guess its not about special paint.


2. Code 592
Best i can find is it means special order - so seems it would go towards the special paint.

But Keith Seymore's Black 65 GTO also has 592 - what is it on Seymore's GTO ?

What I was looking for, and didn't find, was any information about Group1 option O. I don't have anything on that.

Relative to code 592 I've always interpreted that to be a "flag" that there is something unique about that particular vehicle order. Not necessarily special paint but in my case we surmised it might have to do with powertrain options, like the metallic brakes on the rear axle. It might also have to do with a vehicle order that requires special handling, like an expedited build or unique dealer location (surmised since it is grouped with the "Export" option in the same box).

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by dld

also, thought the heater hose's used spring clamps

I thought the heater hoses used the "tower" clamps.

K