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It seems the PMD parts catalog lists the '69 23569 Custom S 4-dr Sedan at 3235 lbs dry, so add:
122 lbs for 20 gal. of gas 25 lbs. for coolant 245 lbs. for the 350 4-bbl V8 43 lbs. for the M40 automatic trans. 29 lbs. for dual exhaust 31lbs. for power steering 9 lbs. for power brakes (drum) 8 bls. for radio & antenna 3747 lbs. total curb weight as equipped Definitely in the ballpark of a comparably equipped GTO. Dennis |
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Looking in my sales manual the Custom S 4dr sedan has a curb (includes full tank of fuel and other fluids) weight of 3391 which matches your dry weight.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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Dan & I got the little 350HO engine running today with the factory induction system. It ran so well and I'm sure the gas mileage doubled over the dual quad set up. We gave it a short 5 mile test drive before calling it a day. The factory choke works like it should and it doesn't burn any oil as the AF ratio is much leaner than with the dual quads. The q-jet has 73 primary jets with 43 metering rods with BE (.041 tips) secondary metering rods.
Here's the pics from today with the wrong '71 B-body 4-bbl air cleaner with a chrome lid for now, until I find the correct long single snorkel unit. We have the correct heat riser tin to install on the driver exhaust yet. The factory distributor is only allowing 20 degrees of mechanical advance for a total of 29 degrees at 4100 rpm with the factory heavy advance springs when set at 9 degrees initial. The original rubber stop bushing is really holding it back, but still drives great. Dennis |
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That’s great, back to stock as it should be.
Those ‘69 350 HOs were such an underrated engine.
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1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42 1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56 2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23 |
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Heck its an HO car
if you have a spare dual snorkel laying around ...... well. |
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That's amazing progress and sounds like a happy drive.
I'm curious - what fuel pump is on it? Short or tall can? Thanks for sharing the carb setup. |
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Thanks Kenth! It seems most of the literature printed show the 3.55's a the standard gear regardless of tranny type, with & without A/C.
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X2!
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And by AC, you mean 3 lines (a return to tank)? I wasn't sure that was new in 70 or not.. And just curious, assuming the original compression and cam, will this run on pump gas? Mike |
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The fuel pump deal in 69 was that any V8 that had AC and/or a 4 bbl carb used the bigger fuel line and had a return line. All sixes and 2bbl V8's without AC used a smaller main line without a return. Neither 69 pump had the big tank on the pump. That started in 1970.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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North, So, 3/8" line from the tank to the pump to the carb. We didn't look to verify the delivery side line size, but was just assuming it was 3/8"...now you got me wondering...definitely has the "no-cannister" fuel pump. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the '69's...I am learning a lot!
Dennis |
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Yeah, the main line was 5/16” on the setups without return and 3/8” on the setups with return.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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Yes, thank you both for sharing your knowledge.
And I like that Pontiac thought the small-can pump would support the 350 HO. Interesting to me, though, is that the tall canister pump wasn't introduced until 1970, maybe for the 455? Anyway, suggests the small can pump was capable for even the HP 400s in 1969. Mike |
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I'm learning about all the subtle nuances between the '69 & '70 model years. I guess they were all transitional in many little ways from year to year.
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