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Old 03-03-2021, 04:55 AM
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There is no need to catch the original starter with you forehead.
Use a threaded rod with a washer and nut in the inner bolt hold and lower the starter and let it hang on it during removal of cables.

The correct factory high torque starter and a slightly shortened solenoid return spring (std on RA and SD starters) and a heatshield will do the job as intended.

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Old 03-03-2021, 12:11 PM
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70 Judge, 455 +.30, bit of a cam
IMI mini all the way, battery in trunk, solenoid in trunk, 2.0 gauge cable from trunk to starter (only hot during cranking), heat shield and starter bolt grounded to frame for added insurance. The most aggravating thing is a beautiful muscle car that won't crank when hot.

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Old 03-03-2021, 01:28 PM
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I have a stroked 400 (462), alum. heads, MSD fuel injection, headers, and this has been my biggest problem. On my second MSD starter, heat soak is the issue, I have clocked the starter as far away from the headers as possible, and wrapped the starter, still got a problem. Will try the RobbMc starter, at least I can clock the solenoid to the bottom, further away from the headers.

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Old 03-03-2021, 01:37 PM
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I have a stroked 400 (462), alum. heads, MSD fuel injection, headers, and this has been my biggest problem. On my second MSD starter, heat soak is the issue, I have clocked the starter as far away from the headers as possible, and wrapped the starter, still got a problem. Will try the RobbMc starter, at least I can clock the solenoid to the bottom, further away from the headers.
with a heat wrap & clocked away from the headers you should not be having a hot start problem with a mini starter, or at least if its working right with good wires & grounds. i use a cheap priced summit mini starter which is made by powermaster & it turns over a 12.7:1 alum head stroker 467 with ease in all conditions. it has a heat wrap but wunning big 2" hooker super comp headers it really cant be clocked away from the nearest tubes.

could be other issues causing the problem like too much advance, poor condition or too small cables, bad ground etc. but if youre on #2 msd starter, time to look for another brand.

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The physical size of the mini starters are an advantage in itself not to mention the clocking. The factory starter is so close to my headers it didn't matter what the local starter shop could do for my situation it would hot-start. The mini starter has quite a bit of breathing room so I do not think we can blanket statement there is no need for the better starter technology.

Wiring system checked out and confirmed with a remote starter switch and back and forth with new cables battery ect.

Never heard of a powermaster starter needing pinion support either and will go the same route again next time I buy.

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I have a stroked 400 (462), alum. heads, MSD fuel injection, headers, and this has been my biggest problem. On my second MSD starter, heat soak is the issue, I have clocked the starter as far away from the headers as possible, and wrapped the starter, still got a problem. Will try the RobbMc starter, at least I can clock the solenoid to the bottom, further away from the headers.
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The correct factory high torque starter and a slightly shortened solenoid return spring (std on RA and SD starters) and a heatshield will do the job as intended.
Which heat shield are people using for RARE manifolds? I see thermal wraps and two different shields...




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Old 03-03-2021, 03:36 PM
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My cast iron RA manifolds have been up on the shelf for years but my recollection is that Pontiac supplied the shield that looked very close to your bottom choice.

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I always thought it was a right of passage. One of those learning experiences we need to get out of the way so we can progress up to a higher level of awareness.

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Can I just skip the right of passage? I mean, I know I have a hard head but...

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My cast iron RA manifolds have been up on the shelf for years but my recollection is that Pontiac supplied the shield that looked very close to your bottom choice.
Per Inline Tube, the 67-69 ram air starter solenoid heat shield looks to only differ by eyelet style flange, rather than slip on for non-ram air...so maybe it doesn't matter (except $$ - $12 vs. $16 or $39)?



Forgot to mention that my RARE manifolds have the ceramic coating, which supposedly reduces heat 40%. So...perhaps it's a moot point worrying about a heat shield.

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Old 03-03-2021, 05:40 PM
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Inlinetubes heat shields;

https://www.inlinetube.com/pages/pro...enoid%20shield

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Old 03-03-2021, 05:57 PM
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Yep...best prices by far and both ram air versions for different years.

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