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Another one with 355
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I have heard it several times from people who drove three speed cars back then, that there was nothing wrong with them, and often the gear spacing was more ideal for stoplight racing than a four speed.
This is correct. I have understood that it wasn't unusual for period three speed cars t have not shift pattern indicator, since three speed was what cars had for such a long time - it was the four speed cars which showed the pattern.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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True, an H is an H is an H unless it is a Healey 100-4.
OTOH with a four-five-or 6 speed first and reverse are liable to be nearly anywhere. Most confusing for me is a Merc 5 speed which is a conventional H with two more gears off to the right. Column shift four speeds (i.e. Citroen) are not far off. |
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Car's from my home town. Claude Nolan Pontiac-Cadillac. The building is still there. I've owned two 69' Judges that were sold there new.
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62' Lemans, Nostalgia Super Stock, 541 CI, IA2 block, billet 4.5" crank, Ross, Wide port Edelbrocks, Gustram intake, 2 4150 style BLP carbs, 2.10 Turbo 400, 9" w/4:30 gears, 8.76 @153, 3100lbs |
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As far as All Tinted Glass option goes it is very very common in the South, SW, & the Plains states. Dealers down this way typically clicked it off more often than not on late '60's & early 70's non AC LeMans & GTO. Much more so than they did just a tinted windshield, which was a much more common process on '64-67 A-bodys in these parts. AM radios ordered in nearly every A-body seemed to be very common option as well. Thats my experience down this way after near 4 decades of extensive boneyarding, & dragging in parts & project cars. Currently, I have a local customer (original owner) with a '70 GTO. It's almost ready for paint. Like the above '70 Judge it is also a burgundy car, don't see many that color. Originally equipped as WT, M20, manual strg & power drums, AM radio, no console, original rear is 3.55 STT. Odd enough, for it being dealer stock ordered in Zone 20, it only had a tinted front windshield which is what I typically run across further up north. Have sold quite a bit of original glass over the years & it's been a PITA for a long time to source nice uncratched clear back glass for this era of two door Pontiac A-body.
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Some original stuff pics front spring sticker, caliper bolts
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[QUOTE='ol Pinion head;6264941]To answer your first question, all '70 model PONTIAC 8.2 SAFE-T-TRACK-HD rears were 3.90's & 4.33's. Look at a few original invoice copies, all '70 model HD STT rears will have a retail billing of $63.19 & were either in RA4 cars or were special ordered (often behind an M21) in a base horse or RA3 GTO. A factory installed 4 pinion STT carrier, alone, does not make a HD STT rear. In the '69 & '70 GP Pontiac 8.2's, the mid ratio (typically 3.23) 8.2 STT rears all were of a 4 pinion carrier design, but center hsgs were gray iron & axles were std duty verions. Disassemble & reassemble a bunch of these later Pontiac 8.2 rears & it becomes clear, the PONTIAC 8.2 10-bolt 3.55 SAFE-T-TRACK rears while sharing the N housing & 4 pinion low ratio carrier, do not originally have the HD forged axles used in the HD STT 8.2 rears.
My experience is in 69's, are you saying that in 70 only the 3.90 and the 4.33 were billed as HD STT? For sure in 69 all STT's with 3.36 or numerically higher were 4 pinion and billed out as HD at $63.19.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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1970 GTO H.D. 4-pinion 8.2" Safe-T-Track code 361 were required ordering 3.90 and 4.33 gears.
3.55 gears could be ordered with H.D. 4-pinion Safe-T-Track. The rest of 1970 GTO 8.2" rearends got 2-pinion gear carriers w or w/o code 361. AFAIK |
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Is there something in the PHS that shows it was a dealer stock car versus, say, a customer-ordered car?
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I don’t believe so, the invoice prefix segregates cars shipped from zone inventory as opposed to from the factory but either could be for a specific customer or for dealer inventory.
I guess Pontiac didn’t have a reason to need to know if the dealer had a specific buyer in mind when they ordered a car.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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I only ask because it would seem odd that a dealer would order a cheap Judge for dealer stock. It's already several hundred dollars over a regular GTO. I can see a regular GTO playing that role.
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except, as I have understood it, the Judge was something of an image car with an upgraded engine from the base GTO engine.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Even on the cover of the performance brochure, we see the Judge playing second fiddle: There was about $500 separating the two. |
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3.55 Safe-T-Track in 1970 GTO could be STT or STT HD , up to the buyers (or dealers) knowledge.
Have 1970 Invoices reflecting both STT and STT HD in Manual Trans D-Port cars without any axle ratio option (3.55) . Also have a 1968 3.55 Posi from a 4spd GTO that is not an "N" housing. Don't know how-why on that one - its just that way |
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