[Ramairnacho]

I've been reading about this and would this be found on a gto ram.air 3 standard engine? Or would it be a 1970? Also read that 1970 replaced the 1941 ram air 4. Then is the 1111952 a ra3 and a ra4 distributor?

[Kenth]

1111952 is for 1969 400 4bbl & 428 H.O. w/MT. Spec #4695.

1111970 is for late 1969 4bbl w/RA & MT and has the exact spec #4719 as the 1969 1111941 and the 1970 1112011, 1112013 RAIV distributors.

[Uncle Judge]

Originally Posted by Kenth

1111952 is for 1969 400 4bbl & 428 H.O. w/MT. Spec #4695.

1111970 is for late 1969 4bbl w/RA & MT and has the exact spec #4719 as the 1969 1111941 and the 1970 1112011, 1112013 RAIV distributors.

100% correct Kenth.
The only addition to that application is the manual transmission RAIII application in 1969 Firebirds and Trans Ams.

From my observations, and more than any other year it seems, in 1969 you cannot say ALWAYS or NEVER when it comes to distributor applications. They used what was available at the time. I've even seen the 941's in original big cars and yes the 1111970 in late 69s.

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[Ramairnacho]

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

100% correct Kenth.
The only addition to that application is the manual transmission RAIII application in 1969 Firebirds and Trans Ams.

From my observations, and more than any other year it seems, in 1969 you cannot say ALWAYS or NEVER when it comes to distributor applications. They used what was available at the time. I've even seen the 941's in original big cars and yes the 1111970 in late 69s.

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From my reading of your thread you mention that the 1952 is a rare distributor but if I getbthis right in 69 the firebirds had there own part number and the gto had ther own? My 1970 formula has a 1112009 but I believe the same yz engine I. A gto judge had the 1112009 distributor too. NOT LIKE 1969. WHAT'S the actual difference between the 1970 a later year distributor and the 1952? And why did it replace both 1952 and 1941? Did they miscalculate how many they where going to sell?

[Kenth]

Originally Posted by Ramairnacho

From my reading of your thread you mention that the 1952 is a rare distributor but if I getbthis right in 69 the firebirds had there own part number and the gto had ther own?

That´s an odd conclusion.

I wrote: 1111952 is for 1969 400 4bbl & 428 H.O. w/MT. Spec #4695.
That includes ALL B-body, F-body and A-body vehicles, (and RAIII engines). Not exactly rare....

[Ramairnacho]

I understand that. But a standard 400 and ram air 3 400 are different, well in 70 they are. But you saying it's the same distributor,interesting because in 70 the 2007 and 2009 where different,2009,20010ram air 3 only. I was under impression that the 1952 is a ram air 3 f body distributor and wasn't used on the gto judge but what's even more interesting is that if the 970 was introduced in late 69 to be place the 1952 what did the early gto ram.air 3 have? I read other threads on the 1952 if your confused by my questions. I also see. This they didn't make to many ho 428 manual cars less than 200, and about 550 stick ta cars. But did any gto judge ram.air 3 get the 1952? Charts are a bit confusing, I just fi d it difficult to believe that the standard 400 had same distributor as the ram air 3.

[Kenth]

Hard to believe or not, they did.
And, 1111970 is a 2:nd production distributor only found in DelcoRemy manuals.
You will the 1111952 info in 1969 Pontiac Service Manual:

[Ramairnacho]

Originally Posted by Kenth

Hard to believe or not, they did.
And, 1111970 is a 2:nd production distributor only found in DelcoRemy manuals.
You will the 1111952 info in 1969 Pontiac Service Manual:

Thanks I guess it was used an an ho 400 in the early years thanks again

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by Ramairnacho

I understand that. But a standard 400 and ram air 3 400 are different, well in 70 they are. But you saying it's the same distributor,interesting because in 70 the 2007 and 2009 where different,2009,20010ram air 3 only. I was under impression that the 1952 is a ram air 3 f body distributor and wasn't used on the gto judge but what's even more interesting is that if the 970 was introduced in late 69 to be place the 1952 what did the early gto ram.air 3 have?.... I read other threads on the 1952 if your confused by my questions. I also see. This they didn't make to many ho 428 manual cars less than 200, and about 550 stick ta cars. But did any gto judge ram.air 3 get the 1952? Charts are a bit confusing, I just fi d it difficult to believe that the standard 400 had same distributor as the ram air 3.

Can't make the assumptions that what was used one year (1970) would some how correlate with how a similar component was used during the model year before. As the '69 model year was before strict emissions constraints were enacted, & both the 400 HO/RA3 & RA4 engines were delayed in going into production, there seems to have been an excess, early on, of "certain" distributors; 1941's & 1952's in particular! Within a certain window of time, a good number of those two particular distributors went in lesser performance engines from Pontiac engine assembly factory. Service manuals that were printed in early Summer of '68 & even service bulletins are NOT going to show that, hands on experience removing & documenting such builds is where this bore out. Uncle Judge & I noted this over 25 years ago. Similar deal to noting late J to mid K of '68 dated RA3 GTO coded engine blocks, 48 heads, & intakes being asembled, only to sit, to eventually be factory installed in pattern Judges, early optional RA3 GTO builds, & even a few non pattern Judges (late March builds).

[Ramairnacho]

oh so your saying that up to march of 69 the 1952 was found in ram air 3 judge gto cars?

[Kenth]

I have found in Pontiac factory literature distributor 1111970 is a (late) 1969 GTO W/RAIII M/T item, and it was serviced by the 1111941 distributor.
The only difference, beside the part#, on these distributors is the gear, phosphate coated #801200 on the 941 and cadmium plated #1968863 on the 970, all other internal parts are the same.

I would not be surprised if the 1111970 was introduced with the RAIII M/T Judge.

JMHO

[hawkins69]

My Fremont built 11D 69 GTO WT standard 400 was built with 941 distributor.
MY 69 Grand Prix 428HO 4-speed has a 946. Can’t confirm as original but date matches other components and previous owner owned since mid 70s. From my understanding, both of these cars should have the 952

[Kenth]

More info, same topic:

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=857847

[vertigto]

So...why are there two threads started on the same day? Guessing wrong forum...can these be consolidated?

[Jack Ferris]

My Arlington/March built RAlll Judge has the 1952 distributor. I also acquired another 1952 dist from a 350 HP GTO 400. Both stick cars.

[Jack Ferris]

Originally Posted by Jack Ferris

My Arlington/March built RAlll Judge has the 1952 distributor. I also acquired another 1952 dist from a 350 HP GTO 400. Both stick cars.

***I CORRECTED MY LAST POST***My Arlington/March built RAlll Judge has the 1970 distributor. I also acquired another 1970 dist from a 350 HP GTO 400. Both stick cars.

I would trade one of them for a correct unit for my 03D Van Nuys '70 Trans Am.