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Old 11-07-2022, 10:06 PM
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Default 1972 Luxury Lemans Engine Production Figures?

Am trying to find how many 1972 Luxury Lemans, 2 door hardtops, and 4 door hardtops, were produced with each of the available engines.

Came across a listing on Facebook for a 1972 2 door hardtop shell and chassis, along with a separate listing for its 400 YX V-8. My understanding is that not many were produced, and the body appears to be in excellent shape.

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Old 11-07-2022, 11:13 PM
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37,615 four door hardtops, 8,641 two door hardtops in 1972. I don't know about engine production numbers.

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Old 11-07-2022, 11:35 PM
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Default 1972 Luxury Lemans Factory R code YX 400 car (2 door)

Separate listings for engine and roller

This is a good running 400 engine and trans from a 72 Pontiac Luxury Lemans. Before removing from the car I cleaned the carb, replaced and set the points, and replaced the fuel pump and now the engine runs great! If your are interested I made a video of it running before I pulled it out and can send it to you. It will need a new water pump as it started to leak from the weep hole.

1972 Luxury Lemans rolling shell. Appears to be a factory silver exterior. good frame with front disc brakes and power steering! The body shell is nice in the cowl area. A/C car. Purchased with a bill of sale for needed parts. Lacks title. Other parts are available.. This ad is for the rolling shell only.

Located in Boyd, Wi.

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1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455".
What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere?

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Default 1972 Luxury Lemans figures

Others believe that the respective figures are switched, instead 37,615 2 door hardtops, and 8,641 4 door hardtops.

I recall seeing some engine production figures, that show that they overwhelmingly came with the standard 350 2bl.

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37,615 four door hardtops, 8,641 two door hardtops in 1972. I don't know about engine production numbers.

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1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455".
What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere?
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Default 1972 Luxury Lemands engine production figures

I recall seeing some engine production figures, that show that they overwhelmingly came with the standard 350 2bl.

The 37,615 2 door cars include 676 (400) and 71 (455)

The 8,641 4 door cars include 110 (400) and 19 (455)

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What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere?
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Others believe that the respective figures are switched, instead 37,615 2 door hardtops, and 8,641 4 door hardtops.

I recall seeing some engine production figures, that show that they overwhelmingly came with the standard 350 2bl.
In general, for a given make and model car, four door versions will almost always outnumber two door versions. I got those numbers from John Gunnell's book "75 Years of Pontiac-Oakland". I can't say if the numbers were transposed but he was usually pretty accurate with his figures.

I just looked at the book again and found another statistic: he said 269 Luxury Lemans came with manual transmissions.

I have a friend who owned a two door Luxury Lemans back around 1980, his had a 400 in it. I remember he pulled the motor, replaced it with a 350 from a junkyard, and then pulled the 4 barrel Sprint six motor out of his 1967 Firebird and put the 400 in that. Of course at the time they were just old cars, no one was too concerned about matching numbers or rarity.

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I recall seeing some engine production figures, that show that they overwhelmingly came with the standard 350 2bl.

The 37,615 2 door cars include 676 (400) and 71 (455)

The 8,641 4 door cars include 110 (400) and 19 (455)
That's all the drivetrain breakdown that is available. Have had a copy of Fred's sheet for 2 decades. There is no breakout for the 400 2bbl engine, or one could subtract the total of the 400 2bbl +400 4bbl & 455 Dport, & then get the big number of 350 2bbl cars produced in both 2dr hardtop & 4door hardtop bodystyles.

'72 2 door hardtop Lux LeMans outnumbered the 4 doors, due to the 4 doors being 4 door hardtops. Pontiac 4 door hardtop A-body's from '66-72, always had low production numbers, unlike 4 door Sedans avail in lower body levels.

Have dragged in & parted a TON of '72 Lux LeMans. Other than darn holes for the stainless trim in the fenders, doors, decklid, they have made decent partscars. Early 90's, parted a 2door heavy loaded 455 Lux LeMans, 3.07 pisi, tilt, cruise, pwr bucket seat, FM Stereo, rear deIce, etc. Filed away, have a copy of the original build sheet & the protecto plate. If that Lux LeMans had been more solid in the rear 1/4's, might have tried to save it. Also parted on another Lux LeMans 455 hardtop: (eng frame brackets 12 bolt pegleg, seatbelts).

Only '72 Lux LeMans manual trans car can remember hands on was a 350 2door hardtop at French Lake MN, close to 15 years ago. Was surprised at the assembly of that car as it was 3 on the tree. That was also one of the very few '72 Lux's I've run across that was just a factory heater car, in the South, factory AC was ordered on nearly every one of 'em. Have been told by two previous Pontiac dealers that Pontiac brought the '72 Lux's out for the '72 model, to provide an upscale competitor to the very popular Cutlass Supreme. Cutlass Supremes, with their formal roof lines & very similar option mix had become very popular sellers.

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I have numbers from the GM Heritage Center. They're done in a matrix by hand, so not official like some of those option lists but it clearly came from someone at Pontiac.

4437
350-2: 32,959
400-2: 3,909
400-4: 676
455-4: 71
TOTAL: 37,615

4439
350-2: 7,474
400-2: 1,038
400-4: 110
455-4: 19
TOTAL: 8,641

Feel free to do the math to see if it adds up properly.

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If you scroll down in this article they have an original period road test of a 4 door hardtop LLM with a 400 2bbl.

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/vint...ts-broughamed/

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